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***Official*** Pakistan in England

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Steulen said:
By the time of the incident, Pakistan weren't dominating at all. Yes, they were still ahead in the game, but they were finding it hard to break partnerships and the ball wasn't doing anything. Until all of a sudden it started to swing like mad when Asif bowled. Great bowler :)
yep, just as great as Simon Jones and Freddie Flintoff... Remember how those two were able to partnerships when others were struggling too in the last Ashes? :)
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
honestbharani said:
yep, just as great as Simon Jones and Freddie Flintoff... Remember how those two were able to partnerships when others were struggling too in the last Ashes? :)


Work wonders. Allegedly.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Scaly piscine said:
Yea, that's a bizarre one and why would the ICC announce that anyway?

Must be part of a political fudging process that's likely to happen over this whole issue.
Weren't you talking about not making judgements before knowing facts? Or do you know ALL the facts reg. this, now that Hair has made his silly move, which was kinda overdue.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Langeveldt said:
I think now we can finally leave behind all this BS about the spirit of cricket, cooperation and dignity in the international game with August 2006... Now we enter the global era of money, gamesmanship and scandal which goes right to the very top, where the fatcats and moneymakers call all the shots, and everyonewhos anything is a winner (as long as you only care about yourself).. Welcome to Footcricket..
That's ridiculous. There never was any such thing as the spirit of cricket, and one incident won't suddenly change everything. If you could point to one event that perhaps could've had such impact, it'd be the match-fixing scandals, but the game is still alive and healthy now, isn't it?
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
open365 said:
:laugh:

I'm quite confused as to why the ICC release the e-mail Hair sent to the public then defended him over it, doesn't make sense to me, surely they knew this would make a lot of people have a lesser opinion of Hair than they did before.
IT is obvious enough. Maybe even the ICC have had enough of Hair. :-O


I think it is obvious that Hair doesn't really have any 'real' or 'strong' evidence to back up his case based on conjecture that Pakistan did tamper with the ball. And now the fact that he sent such an email places him in an uncompromising position and the ICC want to make the best out of it. Fire him, give some penalty to Inzy (maybe a suspended sentence, even though I think it is the PCB who are at fault than Inzy) and then get on with the game. For them, it helps in a number of ways:

A. They think they would have proved that they aren't racist or biased against Asian sides.
B. They don't have to think about what they have to with Hair. They said his decision was final in the game, so they couldn't fire him based on that, but now this letter gives them the chance to do that.
C. Pakistan are appeased and the tour continues and then some token ban is given to Inzy for not leading his side out blah, blah, blah....
D. They will think that this shows that ICC are the real bosses and they do exert authority whenever it is necessary.
 

IndianByHeart

U19 Vice-Captain
open365 said:
What's there to explain?

Inzy- What's going on?

Hair-'I think you tampered with the ball so i'm changing it'

Hair-'And btw, i'm white so obviously the only reason i'm changing the ball is because i hate every black people'
Inzi-What's going on?

Hair-I'm working on to get rich, do you mind? you only have to lose old ball and five runs.And BTW the ball was reverse swinging and the only way BROWN ppl can swing old way is by tampering.
 

Neil Pickup

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The race card has been played so often that all the corners are frayed, it's bent in half and the back's coming. I wonder how Darrell's conscience computed with England having two Asian bowlers. It's miraculous Panesar and Mahmood got wickets at all, isn't it...

Feature Article. Would appreciate (rational) comments.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
"automatonically", Neil? Is that a word? :p

Well written & admirably objective tho. You do stop short of suggesting what Hair should've done if he suspected ball-tampering in lieu of his actual stance. I'm just curious what you, as an ump, would've done?
 

Neil Pickup

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BoyBrumby said:
"automatonically", Neil? Is that a word? :p

Well written & admirably objective tho. You do stop short of suggesting what Hair should've done if he suspected ball-tampering in lieu of his actual stance. I'm just curious what you, as an ump, would've done?
I needed to make an adverb out of "automaton". The best I can find as a "legitimate" adjective is "automatous", but apparently that doesn't adverbialise (that is a word!) - so it's a choice between automatonically, automatously, or changing my sentence order so I use a proper word...

I'd have changed the ball and had a quiet word at the interval. Of course, over the course of the series I can't imagine that words hadn't been exchanged before and Hair hadn't built a decent relationship with Inzy so this could be said. Was it you who posted the article where Mark Nicholas mentioned Shep's handling of a Hants case of ball tampering? Tact and discretion's the key. Reference the U13 'chucker' mentioned, it's basically what I did there - told their coach my concerns during tea, and he re-assured me that it's being worked with and has been cleared for use in its present state. Though who's responsible for clearing 13-year-olds is another debate entirely....
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Neil Pickup said:
I needed to make an adverb out of "automaton". The best I can find as a "legitimate" adjective is "automatous", but apparently that doesn't adverbialise (that is a word!) - so it's a choice between automatonically, automatously, or changing my sentence order so I use a proper word...

I'd have changed the ball and had a quiet word at the interval. Of course, over the course of the series I can't imagine that words hadn't been exchanged before and Hair hadn't built a decent relationship with Inzy so this could be said. Was it you who posted the article where Mark Nicholas mentioned Shep's handling of a Hants case of ball tampering? Tact and discretion's the key. Reference the U13 'chucker' mentioned, it's basically what I did there - told their coach my concerns during tea, and he re-assured me that it's being worked with and has been cleared for use in its present state. Though who's responsible for clearing 13-year-olds is another debate entirely....
Can't claim credit for it, no. Could be Barney, given the county.

I'd almost certainly have done the same thing, although perversely I do sort of admire Hair having the courage of his convictions. That doesn't mean I condone him tho.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Langeveldt said:
I think now we can finally leave behind all this BS about the spirit of cricket, cooperation and dignity in the international game with August 2006... Now we enter the global era of money, gamesmanship and scandal which goes right to the very top, where the fatcats and moneymakers call all the shots, and everyonewhos anything is a winner (as long as you only care about yourself).. Welcome to Footcricket..
I say this with utter honesty. Your posts are the most pessimistic things around, and you come as close as possible to actually making me depressed when reading what you write. Its like reading poetery by goths about them slitting their wrists. You have quite a talent there. I reckon even if I tried my hardest to be the most cynical poster on this board I wouldn't even come as close to you.
 

benchmark00

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Jono said:
I say this with utter honesty. Your posts are the most pessimistic things around, and you come as close as possible to actually making me depressed when reading what you write. Its like reading poetery by goths about them slitting their wrists. You have quite a talent there. I reckon even if I tried my hardest to be the most cynical poster on this board I wouldn't even come as close to you.
Hahahaha.
 

chipmonk

U19 Debutant
Ranatunga says Individuals like hair are spoiling Relations between countries and teams. He also says that ICC should not be blamed for Hair's actions. He also says "ICC should take a very firm action. Hair has had enough problems in the past. The ICC had taken off Hair from their panel earlier, they should do that again. Keep him out for some time and rehabilitate him before bringing him back again."


Cut Hair off elite panel, says Ranatunga
PTI

COLOMBO, Aug 26: Sri Lanka's World Cup winning captain Arjuna Ranatunga wants Darrel Hair to be taken off Elite Panel of ICC Umpires in the wake of the revelation that the Australian had offered to quit his post in exchange of money following the ball tampering row.

Ranatunga, who had threatened to walk-out on Sri Lanka's tour of Australia in 1997-98 when Muttiah Muralitharan was for chucking in a one-day match, said "bad characters" like Hair were spoiling relations between countries by their conduct and it was time the ICC took a firm action against him.

"ICC should take a very firm action. Hair has had enough problems in the past. The ICC had taken off Hair from their panel earlier, they should do that again. Keep him out for some time and rehabilitate him before bringing him back again," he said.

Ranatunga said issues like these were souring relations between two teams.

"With issues like these, relations between two countries suffer the most. (Because of Hair's decision to call Murali) the Australian fans jeered our team when they toured Down Under last. People get angry with countries because of the conduct of some of the officials."

Taking a swipe at Hair, Ranatunga said the Aussie "might come out with a book in three months, it will sell very good."

Following the Murali chucking controversy, Hair had come out with his autobiography "Decision Maker" in 1998 in which he had termed Sri Lankan offie's action as "diabolical" and stated that he would not hesitate to call the bowler again.

Asked if Hair was biased against Asian teams, he said, "when people like Hair are there, it invariably happens that the teams from Asia are at the receiving end."

However, he did not agree with Wasim Akram's view that ICC had become a forum for white people.

"One should not put the blame on ICC. It appoints umpires and if some of the characters behave badly, you cannot really blame ICC for that."

Ranatunga also said that had he been leading the side instead of Inzamam-ul Haq at the Oval, the match would have stopped the moment Hair decided to dock his team five runs for ball-tampering.

"Inzamam is one of the nicer guys in cricket. He should have acted right at the moment when the ball was changed. He should have protested there and then, consulted the match referee and taken a decision. But maybe he wanted to keep the spirit of the game."

The former batsman also said Hair had done a grave mistake by making such a serious charge as ball tampering without any concrete evidence.

"There were 26 cameras covering the action. None of them caught any Pakistan player doing anything untoward.

"If Hair did spot anything amiss, he should have brought it to the notice of Inzamam and the Match Referee.

"It is a big accusation and should not be made on the basis of a mere suspicion."
 
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Langeveldt

Soutie
Jono said:
I say this with utter honesty. Your posts are the most pessimistic things around, and you come as close as possible to actually making me depressed when reading what you write. Its like reading poetery by goths about them slitting their wrists. You have quite a talent there. I reckon even if I tried my hardest to be the most cynical poster on this board I wouldn't even come as close to you.
woah, I really hope you realize I'm joking?

I hope this isn't one of those kiddie forums where you have to put smileys :laugh: just to let people know you aren't being serious?? surely?!

But there's actually a bit of truth to what I wrote there, and when you are as cynical as I am, you never get disappointed..

And I'm only that cynical when it comes to women and cricket.. I think you've only read me talking about Murali/Twenty20 and HairGate.. Im much more gay in Off Topic...
 
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Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but this is a rapidly moving thread and it's not possible to read every message (unless of course you're online all the time).

According to an interview with Malcolm Speed between inninngs at today's C & G Cup Final Mr Doctrove will umpire in some of the upcoming One-Day Matches.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Lillian Thomson said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but this is a rapidly moving thread and it's not possible to read every message (unless of course you're online all the time).

According to an interview with Malcolm Speed between inninngs at today's C & G Cup Final Mr Doctrove will umpire in some of the upcoming One-Day Matches.
He is scheduled to umpire in at least 3 matches I think. The PCB have already stated that they don't have a problem with him, so I don't think this will be a controversy.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Fusion said:
He is scheduled to umpire in at least 3 matches I think. The PCB have already stated that they don't have a problem with him, so I don't think this will be a controversy.
Not a controversy as such, but a bit lacking in common sense considering he was involved in accusing Pakistan of ball tampering and will presumably support Hair at any hearing.
 

FRAZ

International Captain
Sanz said:
Before accusing forum members of something you should try to know the facts. It has nothing to do with command over language. And he has his ways of doing that e.g. word to word translate urdu insults in English or call Indians as Monglians, implying that all Indians are vegetarians by calling them spinach lovers etc etc..

Few days ago someone(Indian) disagreed with him and he said something about september of 1965. Now it may not mean anything to you, but India-Pak fought a war in 1965 so on and so forth. Unfortunately for him, since some mods on this forum are much smarter than he can imagine, one of the mods founds that out and warned him.

and I was against his banning despite his repeated insults on Indians.
Stick to the thread please . Sanz !!! I am disappointed that you are accusing me again and again .And if when I mentioned Spinach thing , I had even a slight sarcasm in my mind about a nation then may God deal with me with the severe most punishment . And you know that when I say this then "I" mean it because I am a firm believer .. Talking about personal attacks then this is going to be quite pathetic if anyone who reads this post doesn't accuse you of personal attacks ..
I already lost the interest that I had in the series after witnessing Hair and I have already mentioned it what else can I say ?
Am I a priest , A messiah or I have some supernatural powers that I predicted problems for Pakistan upon witnessing Hair and I also mentioned ICC having two schools of thought ,biased and non-biased ??? Its just what I felt that might happen due to Hair ....
It clearly show that some of you are just blind and are not getting the point i.e. (hate) ...Why only me been pointed out ?? This is what Imran Khan mentioned and Ranatunga and million others. There was a guy here and I don't even know him and he said that I am putting FRAZ on my ignore list because he differs with my point of view .. Before that I didn't even know That person even existed and the only thing I remember is that a person having a ***cine in the last name and thats it .... I will tell that gentleman that "please stay happy and be friendly" ...
A day ago 500,000 $ and now what ? ....
And the way you say "smarter than he thinks " thing then let me tell you that ,you know it was a harmless statement and was misunderstood and you know that .Please do not make any personal attack .
Pakistan is going to win the ODI series and I don't know if the personal attacks on Inzamam in the media and the press, are going to hurt his concentration or not ?
I feel for Inzi because he does it when its due ...
Anyways Possibilities of what punishment Inzamam will get should be discussed ...
P.S. : (Please do not prolong any personal thing and I will let you go this time and stay friendly my friend and be friends and talk how to solve the problem rather than discussing it again and again and I am sorry to the persons whom got offended with whatever I said).
 

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