***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Pedro Delgado]

the Queen's language..

Please don't call it that, we don't all bow down to the old cow.

 

[superkingdave]

That would still end up being a loss imo for the ECB, admittedly a lesser one. If i were the TV companies, id' be paying less for england vs new zealand. Crowds would drop as well.

Pakistan draw crowds, especially to the one dayers. Shahid Afridi himself must draw a couple of thousand.

Wouldn't have much effect if any. All the tickets were sold out months ago, the supreme majority of the tv income would already be tied up in Sky's exclusive contract. Any loss of income would probably be able to be reclaimed from the PCB.

Anyway it's not going to happen

 

[_Ed_]

Has the captain taken a team off the ground?

One I remember clearly was when Arjuna Ranatunga led SL off the Adelaide Oval in an ODI against England after Murali was no-balled in about 1998.

 

[deeps]

lol, Hair again? Or was that Ross/Roy Emerson?

 

[marc71178]

I think Inzy wasn't sure of what was going on in the first place until the tea break due to his lack of english, this may save him.

How will that save him from the disrepute charge?

Realistically he has no defence against that (even though I think he's carrying the can for the team management)

 

[marc71178]

Yea, that's a bizarre one and why would the ICC announce that anyway?

If they hadn't done, then the PCB would have leaked it.

 

[marc71178]

That would still end up being a loss imo for the ECB, admittedly a lesser one. If i were the TV companies, id' be paying less for england vs new zealand. Crowds would drop as well.

No they wouldn't, as the tickets are already sold.

 

[Slow Love™]

All the threats of legal action for defamation and such would. you'd think, not eventuate (it's a game, and let's think about the doors that would open), but it kinda reminded me of something hilarious that happened a few years ago.

Does anybody remember when a Pakistani journo threatened to sue Mike Atherton for calling him a "buffoon" at a press conference back around '96? (I think the words used were "can somebody get that buffoon out of here" or similar.) If I remember correctly, part of the guy's losses he wanted compensation for (apart from the destruction of his career) was the fact that his fiance had left him "because she didn't want to be married to a buffoon".

I think the case was probably dropped eventually, though I never heard what actually happened in the end.

 

[social]

All the threats of legal action for defamation and such would. you'd think, not eventuate (it's a game, and let's think about the doors that would open), but it kinda reminded me of something hilarious that happened a few years ago.

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You can sue for damages resulting from on-field incidents e.g. football injuries and the like.

 

[Neil Pickup]

There's quite a difference between physical injury and defamation though, isn't there? Of course there's be case if someone stuck a stump up another guy's nose and began scooping his brains out, but this isn't affecting the player's ability to play (etc).

 

[Slow Love™]

You can sue for damages resulting from on-field incidents e.g. football injuries and the like.

But suing for defamation because an umpire's decision implies you've done something against the rules of the game? Seems a very bad way to go, and would make the risks of making valid calls too great for any umpire. Particularly considering the huge difference in burden of proof.

 

[BoyBrumby]

All the threats of legal action for defamation and such would. you'd think, not eventuate (it's a game, and let's think about the doors that would open), but it kinda reminded me of something hilarious that happened a few years ago.

Does anybody remember when a Pakistani journo threatened to sue Mike Atherton for calling him a "buffoon" at a press conference back around '96? (I think the words used were "can somebody get that buffoon out of here" or similar.) If I remember correctly, part of the guy's losses he wanted compensation for (apart from the destruction of his career) was the fact that his fiance had left him "because she didn't want to be married to a buffoon".

I think the case was probably dropped eventually, though I never heard what actually happened in the end.

Drifting off-topic here, but I remember a similar case over here a few years back when ex-Tory MP, professional defamation case pursuer & all round tosser Rupert Allason took umbrage with Have I Got news For You calling him a "conniving little ****" & sued.

He lost the case, so can now officially be described as such!

Linky: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/49430.stm

 

[Slow Love™]

Drifting off-topic here, but I remember a similar case over here a few years back when ex-Tory MP, professional defamation case pursuer & all round tosser Rupert Allason took umbrage with Have I Got news For You calling him a "conniving little ****" & sued.

He lost the case, so can now officially be described as such!

Linky: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/49430.stm

LOL. Cleverly worded by the Have I Got News For You team, too.

 

[Slow Love™]

I just googled the "buffoon" incident, and the guy's name was Asghar Ali. He apparently was writing a book about it all called "Buffoon: You or Me?". (I wonder if this baby ever got published...)

He said "I have talked to many international cricket captains including Hansie Cronje and (Arjuna) Ranatunga about Atherton and their comments are in this book." Well, you couldn't ask for two more honest assessors of another cricketer's integrity than those two.

http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/20001018/isp18007.html

 

[IndianByHeart]

I'm quite confused as to why the ICC release the e-mail Hair sent to the public then defended him over it, doesn't make sense to me, surely they knew this would make a lot of people have a lesser opinion of Hair than they did before.

I read that the Hair's masterpiece was made public as the ICC was adviced by its own lawyer to share the information with PCB's lawyer who already had a very strong case.However i think ICC did that to make the people who stood by Hair feel stupid.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I agree with you 100 % or 500 % even...

I really am disappointed by the attitudes of some members on this forum... This forum is about diverse opinions ... and if someone brings out a differering view point we should discuss it and put counter opinions etc.. Not being silly about it or saying how dare you dare have any other opinion than ours .... I am also sick of some people's intolerance of other forum members and putting out posts saying Shut Up.. etc.. that really is pretty damn poor in a forum meant to be about diverse opinions.

And ridiculing others because their language is not 100% perfect is pretty poor as well.
Not everyone here is a native speaker of the Queen's language , being a bit more tolerant of grammatical errors etc.. should not be too much to ask... Pretty poor from some people here who choose ridicule others on the forum , without taking into consideration these sort of factors..

I am sure this forum will be all the more poorer and damn boring place if everyone had same opinions and the posts were monotonous ..

Personally I couldn't give a toss about his grammar and spelling, it's stuff like this he keeps coming out with that's the problem:

It is the best decision Inzamam has ever made in his playing career .. Pakistan clearly lost the last test to Hair and knowledgeable people can see that .. It happened due to racism and continous stupidity of Hair ....

 

[Langeveldt]

I think now we can finally leave behind all this BS about the spirit of cricket, cooperation and dignity in the international game with August 2006... Now we enter the global era of money, gamesmanship and scandal which goes right to the very top, where the fatcats and moneymakers call all the shots, and everyonewhos anything is a winner (as long as you only care about yourself).. Welcome to Footcricket..

 

[honestbharani]

Until the hearing we have no idea whether they have proof or not. Hence we do not know yet if they are right or wrong. They have yet to be proven wrong.

As many others have said here, if there was evidence, I think Proctor or someone else might have shown it to Shahriyar Khan or Inzy or Woolmer already. This is not a court case, for God's sake. The fact that they haven't leads me to believe that there really is no direct evidence to prove that Pakistan did it.

 

[honestbharani]

Whether it is a different sport has nothing to do with it. In football, the referee is always right, and in cricket, the umpire is always right.

Whatever the sport, it is wrong to just walk off the pitch because you believe a decision is wrong.

I have agreed with what you said to an extent in an earlier post of mine, perhaps after the one you quoted. AFAIC, Pak handled this real bad. If it was such a big shame for them, they should have walked out straightaway and never cared about the fact that they may be forfeiting the game, a la Arjuna. To walk away and then say we are ready to come out and play again just doesn't seem right. Or, if they really did feel that their responsibility was towards the paying public then they should have continued to play the game under some sort of protest or something.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Personally I couldn't give a toss about his grammar and spelling, it's stuff like this he keeps coming out with that's the problem:

The world of competitive Scrabble turns its back on you...