***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Jono]

LOL, I think that basketball is more Prince's game - if you've watched Charlie Murphy's reminiscings on Dave Chapelle you'll know what I mean.

(And there's no underscore, dammit!)

Haha I think I know the Dave Chapelle skit you're referring to.

LOL regarding the underscore. You can never tell with spaces in forum names, but yours just fit the mould for no particular reason at all.

Regarding the decision for this test to go to England, had this test series been squared 1-1 or 1-0 with Pakistan trying to draw the series, the controversy may have even gone up tenfold. This being a dead rubber may have been a lucky break.

Or maybe Pakistan would have acted differently had the series been on the line? Who knows?

 

[Slow Love™]

Precdent or no precedent, so much power in the hands of the umpires is a farce.

To be fair, they've had that power for around a century.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Decision is dead right - reasons outlined above. Critically Law 21.3.

 

[superkingdave]

666 posts so far in this thread today...

 

[Beleg]

What power? if Pakistan had have come out when asked on time there wouldnt have been any power to the umpires to do anything.

What's the evidence that the ball was tampered with? If there is evidence, disclose it. If not, then the umpires erred and they should take the responsibility.

If you take that power away from the umpires then whats to stop teams from doing this in the future more often?

The power of deciding a match should not reside with the umpires. In case of a dispute, every possible effort should be made to continue the match. Even if it means getting rid of a particularly indigant official or player.

 

[Fusion]

Decision is dead right - reasons outlined above. Critically Law 21.3.

Decision may be right, but that doesn't mean Pakistan's actions were wrong. I still support their stance of not coming out to play. They were accused of cheating by an umpire with a spotty reputation and who seemingly had no proof. I will agree it would've been a farce had they carried the game on by replacing Hair. I think ICC made the right decision, as per the letter of the law. But there is such a thing as "principle". Pakistan were right on that front and Hair was wrong. I just hope that's the last we see of him in an International match.

 

[Anil]

Decision is dead right - reasons outlined above. Critically Law 21.3.

did they show any proof that the ball was actually tampered with? if not, there is no dead right decision on this....

 

[Scaly piscine]

no protest = accepting umpires decision.

Does this mean you should protest every time you cop a bad decision?

Or does good character kick in and you accept the bad and good decisions with good grace and if necessary complain through the relevant channels later?

 

[Neil Pickup]

The ball tampering's secondary to the progress of the match; once Pakistan decided they didn't want to play anymore, England had to be awarded it.

 

[Fusion]

666 posts so far in this thread today...

Highest number of posts in a thread for one day??

 

[Fusion]

Does this mean you should protest every time you cop a bad decision?

Or does good character kick in and you accept the bad and good decisions with good grace and if necessary complain through the relevant channels later?

Ugh. How many time does it need to be pointed out that it's not just a "bad decision". It's an accusation that you were cheating. There's a huge difference in accepting a bad decision and accepting an attack on your character!!

 

[Langeveldt]

Highest number of posts in a thread for one day??

TBF I think the Cake-Cushion incident was more controversial

 

[Neil Pickup]

Highest number of posts in a thread for one day??

Someone can go and check how many were posted on the last day at Edgbaston last summer.

Personally, I've made 19 (20 with this one) which is more than I've posted in ages, racing past the 18,000 barrier in the process.

 

[Beleg]

The decision might be technically correct but the question right now is whether the ICC can come up with concrete evidence of ball-tampering.

 

[Jono]

SA vs. Aus 434 may have got a fair few too.

 

[Langeveldt]

Someone can go and check how many were posted on the last day at Edgbaston last summer.

Personally, I've made 19 (20 with this one) which is more than I've posted in ages, racing past the 18,000 barrier in the process.

I've made 75 posts in this thread today, that must be the most for one person in one thread in one day?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

The decision might be technically correct but the question right now is whether the ICC can come up with concrete evidence of ball-tampering.

The umpires decided that the marks on the ball could only have been made using a set of false teeth carefully concealed in the bowlers trousers.

 

[Jamee999]

What would have been the odds on an England victory for forfeit at the start of the day?

 

[Langeveldt]

What would have been the odds on an England victory for forfeit at the start of the day?

They wouldn't have existed, but could you get odds on an England victory today?

 

[greg]

They wouldn't have existed, but could you get odds on an England victory today?

England were ridiculously short this morning (and yesterday). It's almost as if the market knew something...