***Official*** Pakistan in England

[Slow Love™]

What the hell are you doing here?

I was up late working and following the game on cricinfo, and I found myself wondering what the good people at cricketweb were making of the situation.

(I've been extremely busy in recent months and had a hell of a time accessing the site for quite a while back in Jan/Feb, so I kinda lost touch... )

 

[Isolator]

As others have stated repeatedly, we're not dealing with an LBW decision here. I imagine there'd be grave consequences for any umpire that accused a team of ball tampering withot having actually seen something, and the ICC would be responsible for dealing with the situation. Now, it may be that the ICC are incompetent or whatever, but that's really beside the point. There is a correct way to go about making a complaint if you feel an umpire has been unfair to your side, and it's not to spit the dummy and refuse to play.

I disagree with all this stuff about the "correct procedure" etc. I think the umpire/s accusation is baseless, possibly biased, I want an acknowledgement NOW. I don't want some halfarsed post-match ICC proceedings with commitees that do nothing.

 

[BoyBrumby]

What the hell is appropriate action in such a situation where without any evidence you are being told you cheated. Playing on would have been acceptance of this accusation.

Well, for several overs until tea Pakistan did just that.

Are we to assume their burning sense of moral outrage took over half an hour's play & a tea break to develop?

 

[Langeveldt]

Good turnout

 

[open365]

What the hell is appropriate action in such a situation where without any evidence you are being told you cheated. Playing on would have been acceptance of this accusation.

Have you seen the ball????

The ball is the single piece of evidence everyone seems to be ignoring.

 

[marc71178]

That is if the ODI's actually happen..

I'm sure they will, since there's no problem with the ECB etc.

 

[silentstriker]

Well, for several overs until tea Pakistan did just that.

Are we to assume their burning sense of moral outrage took over half an hour's play & a tea break to develop?

Maybe they wanted to be sure and get the facts and discuss the situation with a calmer head?

 

[Run like Inzy]

According the the umpires, the only ones who matter,yes there was.

Basically your trying to say their was no way the umpires can be held accountable for their own decision? If asked why the accusations were made what are they goin to say the ball looks worse than it did 10 minutes? There could be hundreds of reasons for the ball getting damaged. You can't rule out the fact that a mistake was made

 

[silentstriker]

I'm sure they will, since there's no problem with the ECB etc.

I agree, the ODIs' will be fine. The ECB is not involved.

 

[Run like Inzy]

I'm sure they will, since there's no problem with the ECB etc.

Yeah Sharyar said they are Ok with the ODIs but it will be unlikely Pakistan play if Hair is officitating

 

[Jono]

This is AWESOME.

Holy ****! The man returns!

 

[TT Boy]

Have you seen the ball????

The ball is the single piece of evidence everyone seems to be ignoring.

Yet where is the evidence of the so called tampering?

 

[Fusion]

Maybe they wanted to be sure and get the facts and discuss the situation with a calmer head?

Precisely. Maybe they wanted an explanation from the match refree? Some conclusive proof that the ball had been tempered with? Apparently there wasn't any. So they would be justified in their anger and refusing to take the field (temporarily or not).

 

[BoyBrumby]

Maybe they wanted to be sure and get the facts and discuss the situation with a calmer head?

Very doubtful. If they knew they hadn't cheated & knew they'd been accused of such there really aren't any further facts to ascertian as far as I can see.

If they did act with a "calmer head" they were spectacularly ill-advised.

 

[open365]

2.15, when Cook was dismissed the ball was seemingly fine, fifteen later minutes something has now occurred to the ball. Would not be difficult to actually find out what happened to the ball in those fifteen minutes, would it now?

Have you ever thought that the umpires where noticing eveidence of ball tampering throughout the day but only then did they feel they had enough evidence to prosecute for it.

 

[Isolator]

Have you seen the ball????

The ball is the single piece of evidence everyone seems to be ignoring.

Yes, and what does the ball show? That something has caused it to get scuffed. This something could be anything - ball hitting hard surface, general wear and tear, player tampering with it, cricket ball-eating bacteria from outer space, etc.

 

[Fusion]

Very doubtful. If they knew they hadn't cheated & knew they'd been accused of such there really aren't any further facts to ascertian as far as I can see.

If they did act with a "calmer head" they were spectacularly ill-advised.[/QUOTE]

In your opinion. Others may say that after thinking about it calmly, this was the only course of action left for them to take.

 

[Langeveldt]

Unless you can catch people red handed, there is no way of telling whether a ball has been tampered with, or scuffed, smashed about when hitting the bounday boards or not..

 

[Langeveldt]

Trevor Jesty missing a trick at the moment, he should be Ebaying that ball

 

[Dasa]

Very doubtful. If they knew they hadn't cheated & knew they'd been accused of such there really aren't any further facts to ascertian as far as I can see.

If they did act with a "calmer head" they were spectacularly ill-advised.

As Shahrayar Khan said in his interview, they intended to lodge a protest by delaying their arrival onto the pitch. From that, it seems as if Hair and co. jumped the gun and assumed they were forfeiting.