***Official*** Pakistan in England

[TT Boy]

That much is actually beyond question. The ball was reversing & they did continue to bowl Kaneria.

Which suggests?

 

[Slow Love™]

This is AWESOME.

 

[The Baconator]

If there are 12 people in a room, the lights go out, if ten seconds later when they come back on one man has been strangled to death, we don't need to know who did it to know that one of the remaining 11 or even a group of them killed the man.

All well and good, but is there any conclusive proof that a ball over 60 overs old has been tampered with by anyone?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

This is AWESOME.

What the hell are you doing here?

 

[Fusion]

This 26 cameras argument people keep coming out with is pointless, you don't have 26 people looking at each and every camera scrutinising it every second of the match as it happens. It will take a while for people to look through the video properly and decide whether or not there's any proof there, the cameras could still miss something or throw up something that's inconclusive anyway - that's if the ICC don't get their hands on the video footage and 'lose' it first.

Combine the 26 cameras with the umpires closely monitoring the players then yes, it is fair to assume we would've had proof someone was tempering. It was interesting to see the highlights Sky showed of Hair turning around and watching very closely the Pak players as they polished the ball. The players did it right in front of him, they had nothing to hide. And frankly, after all the past controversies, there is no way a Pak player would be stupid enough to attempt that. This action by Hair was highly inflamatory and insulting.

 

[Dasa]

This is AWESOME.

You chose a good time to return!

 

[BoyBrumby]

Which suggests?

Kaneria was getting turn? Only one bowler can reverse it? Inzi thinks it better not to let the batters settle with an all fast medium attack?

Take your pick.

 

[Isolator]

If there are 12 people in a room, the lights go out, if ten seconds later when they come back on one man has been strangled to death, we don't need to know who did it to know that one of the remaining 11 or even a group of them killed the man.

Now this is utter rubbish. AFAIK, there's no way they could tell that a change in the condition of the ball came from deliberate tampering and not from other occurences - ball hitting something, passing over something rough, etc.

 

[open365]

So what??? I can't tell whether you're dense or intentionally treating this as "no big deal". If you don't agree with lets say a LBW decision, and you think the umpire is being biased, you can wait until after the game to lodge a protest. However, if you are accused directly OF CHEATING, it's an attack on your character and pride. There is a massive difference in a wrong (even possibly bias) decision and being personally accused of cheating.

If they knew they hadn't cheated, they know that their intergrity as a side is still in tact, they could have waited till after the game and takken the appropriate action.

 

[Langeveldt]

This is AWESOME.

I made my toast during a break in the action

Beats watching cricket!!

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

...and what would the proper channels be? If the Pakistanis complained after the match, it's likely that Hair (and Doctrove) would escape with nothing more than a slap on the wrists and Pakistani cricket would be tainted for another decade with allegations of cheating. If the alternative is to let their feelings be known now, why not do what they have done?

As others have stated repeatedly, we're not dealing with an LBW decision here. I imagine there'd be grave consequences for any umpire that accused a team of ball tampering withot having actually seen something, and the ICC would be responsible for dealing with the situation. Now, it may be that the ICC are incompetent or whatever, but that's really beside the point. There is a correct way to go about making a complaint if you feel an umpire has been unfair to your side, and it's not to spit the dummy and refuse to play.

 

[TT Boy]

Combine the 26 cameras with the umpires closely monitoring the players then yes, it is fair to assume we would've had proof someone was tempering. It was interesting to see the highlights Sky showed of Hair turning around and watching very closely the Pak players as they polished the ball. The players did it right in front of him, they had nothing to hide. And frankly, after all the past controversies, there is no way a Pak player would be stupid enough to attempt that. This action was Hair was highly inflamatory and insulting.

2.15, when Cook was dismissed the ball was seemingly fine, fifteen later minutes something has now occurred to the ball. Would not be difficult to actually find out what happened to the ball in those fifteen minutes, would it now?

 

[The Baconator]

In other news...

 

[Pratters]

This is AWESOME.

LOL

 

[Scaly piscine]

Now this is utter rubbish. AFAIK, there's no way they could tell that a change in the condition of the ball came from deliberate tampering and not from other occurences - ball hitting something, passing over something rough, etc.

Well that's what happened with Surrey...

 

[Langeveldt]

In other news...

That is if the ODI's actually happen..

 

[Run like Inzy]

If they knew they hadn't cheated, they know that their intergrity as a side is still in tact, they could have waited till after the game and takken the appropriate action.

What the hell is appropriate action in such a situation where without any evidence you are being told you cheated. Playing on would have been acceptance of this accusation.

 

[open365]

All well and good, but is there any conclusive proof that a ball over 60 overs old has been tampered with by anyone?

According the the umpires, the only ones who matter,yes there was.

 

[TheEpic]

He's right ya know.

EDIT: To Run like Inzy.

 

[The Baconator]

That is if the ODI's actually happen..

True, maybe we'll get India or Sri Lanka coming over to give us a thrashing.