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**Official** Pakistan in Australia Thread

Scallywag

Banned
Slow Love said:
I watched the replays, and with the strip showing on the replay, they clearly pitched outside leg..
Tom Halsey said:
Sorry, but I've just seen the highlights a few hours ago and no they didn't IMO.
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The umpires did a good job in this series as usual but as you can see whatever decision they make there will be someone to try to make excuses for a teams poor performance. IMO its the fault of commentators who like to over anaylse the umpires decisions.

Many times I have watched T Greig and M Taylor agree with the umpire and after watching several replays change their minds and then say the ump made a bad call.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
Sehwag309 said:
Question to the Aussies, did you find the team playing to their potential or Pak bowling/game were really good at times?

Australia won, but were you REALLY convinced or wanted to see better (Sorry to ask this question, as Auzzies are winning all the time; we have to compare their winning performaces)
I don't think the games could have been much more comprehensive than they were, really. Pakistan mixed some reasonably decent stuff with some terrible stuff, but that was not necessarily out of the realms of the unexpected. I thought the Aussies were pretty consistent though. The only minus marks I'd have had would have been Hayden's fragility to Akhtar (when he was fit). I guess elements of the middle order could have performed a little better, but that's about it. The bowling was very solid.
 

Gangster

U19 12th Man
imranrabb said:
Considering pakistan were missing inzamam,razzaq,malik,gul,shabbir,saqlain,taufeeq(no idea why he wasnt picked) and moin pakistan didnt do to badly in the last two tests.This would be my future line up for tests
Sorry, but out of your list only Inzamam is a real loss, and going by his recent form and captaincy, his absence may have been the sole reason Pakistan played more competitively in the 3rd test. Razzaq and Malik are, at this point in their careers, one-day players more so than test players, and only one, if either, should be picked in a side. Gul seems to show potential but he's not the kind of player that you can say would have been a difference maker, and the same goes for Shabbir. They would have helped certainly, but I wouldn't take their absences into consideration when grading the Pakistani performance. Saqlain is a bowler past his prime and Taufeeq was never good anyway. He would have been just as bad as Imran Farhat ended up being.

My assessment of the Pakistan team on their tour of Australia, player-by-player, is as follows:

Salman Butt: A+
He really put on a superhuman type of effort when his teammates decided they had become allergic to Day 4 and 5 cricket. I really am impressed, and considering his gutsy and collected performance in the BCCI Jubilee Match in Kolkata, Pakistan seemed to have discovered a star.

Younis Khan: A
Another guy who has shown he deserves an extended run in the team. He's repaid Woolmer's faith in him, and delivered as much as a Pakistani batsman could have in this series. Unquestionably needs to be in the regular test lineup.

Asim Kamal: A
Again, he put on an exemplary performance when his teammates couldn't or wouldn't. He's shown time and time again (his performance in the 3rd test versus India is another example) that he's a solid #6 batsman and should be given a test cap every time Pakistan plays a test match.

Yasir Hameed: A-
Played in only 2 of the 3 tests, but showed he has the goods. I really think he's best off at #3, but he's shown that he can open as well. A quality, quality batsman.

Yousuf Youhana: B+
He made a nice century, but more is expected out of him, especially as he is such a senior player, the vice-captain, and the likely captain-in-waiting. He needed to put more of a stamp on the series.

Danish Kaneria: B+
Kaneria took 15 wickets when he was asked to be both a strike bowler and a workhorse bowler. He was asked to eat up overs and take wickets against a rampaging Aussie lineup when fellow leggie Shane Warne was finding no help for his own legbreaks against a far worse Pakistani lineup. He's cemented his status as Pakistan's premier spinner. A future permanent #11 in my opinion.

Shoaib Akhtar: B+
If he didn't injure himself after delivering every other ball, he'd have gotten an A. He held up his end of the bargain, bowling with pace and with intelligence. When the idea of shortening his run-up came up, everyone jumped to the conclusion that oh well he gets so tired and injured, he should shorten it and bowl more overs. But no one mentioned that for every 80 overs, he was already bowling 20 of them! Is it reasonable to expect your express fast bowler to bowl more than 20 overs before the new ball is taken? But still, he's the kind of guy who gets injured while sleeping. Shortening his run-up won't do anything but make him mad.

Shahid Afridi: B
Hmm, one idiotic innings, one semi-intelligent innings until an idiotic end. That's Afridi in a nutshell. Did better than his all-rounder buds Razzaq and Malik though. He should really be the 1st choice all-rounder over Popeye and Chucker.

Kamran Akmal: B
Showed potential, especially with the bat, nearly getting to a half-century batting with the tail. He should be stuck with over Latif or Moin.

Inzamam-ul-Haq: F
Horrible batting in the 1st test, horrible captaincy and leadership throughout. He really let his team down. He should consider handing over the captaincy to Youhana or ever Akhtar. His bad back is surely a sign that he needs to lose more weight.

Mohammad Sami: F
Not a test-class bowler, unless test-class means bowling quickly. Might be a good first-change bowler, but should not be given the new ball.

Abdul Razzaq: F
Go find Olive Oyl.


Everyone else pretty much gets an F too. I just got tired! Oh, one more thing

My future test line-up:
Salman Butt
Yasir Hameed
Younis Khan
Inzamam ul-Haq
Yousuf Youhana
Asim Kamal
Kamran Akmal - WK
Shoaib Akhtar
Danish Kaneria
Last 2 bowling spots should be between Naved-ul-Hasan, Gul, Shabbir and Sami. It might not hurt to introduce a couple of new faces either, though I don't think Khalil or Asif is the answer. Maybe Riaz Afridi, or a couple of the U-19 guys.


Sorry for the long post!
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Gangster said:
My assessment of the Pakistan team on their tour of Australia, player-by-player, is as follows:
Wth all those A+s and A's you'd be forgiven for thinking Pakistan won the series 3-0, not lost it!
 

Craig

World Traveller
Slow Love™ said:
What terrible running from Afridi and Asim. Just so unnecessary.
The Pakistanis running has left a lot to be desired in this whole Test and at the MCG.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Slow Love™ said:
Also, good to see MacGill stake his claim as the second best spinner in Australia. The guy gets far too much stick on these forums, IMO.
Yet he still faces the axe from the starting line-up for the tour of New Zealand - Lol!
 

Craig

World Traveller
marc71178 said:
It does show something that.

Makes him almost their equivalent of Thorpe - when the team's in a bit of a hole, he'll score runs, but not so likely when they're well ahead?

Out of interest, which of those do people rank as his best?
For me his first Test century, then the one at Cape Town and at Mumbai.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Slow Love™ said:
About the "abuse" and slinking away from what you say - you're kidding, right? I have to echo Marc's comments: that's pretty damned ironic coming from you.

And I'm not slinking away from what I've said at all - IMO, from the replays I saw yesterday, the balls pitched outside leg. Yasir's was close, but I thought Rana's was comfortably wide of it, looking at the overlay. Having said that, I'm not so invested in this that I would exclude the possibility that I was wrong. But that's what I saw.
So ignore the guy and don't bother replying to him, he only wants a flame war.
 

Gangster

U19 12th Man
marc71178 said:
Wth all those A+s and A's you'd be forgiven for thinking Pakistan won the series 3-0, not lost it!
My apologies for not mentioning that the Pakistani players were graded relative to one another! On that scale, Australian players would find themselves with five or six pluses after the A next to their name. So with respect to the performance of the entire Pakistani team, I gave Salman Butt an A+, as the best performing Pakistani.
 

Crazy Sam

International 12th Man
Salman Butt: A
Younis Khan: B-
Asim Kamal: C
Yasir Hameed: B
Yousuf Youhana: B
Danish Kaneria: B+
Shoaib Akhtar: D-
Shahid Afridi: C-
Kamran Akmal: A-
Inzamam-ul-Haq: E+
Mohammad Sami: D-
Abdul Razzaq: D
Imran Farhat: D

those are what i'd give to the pakistanis, not entirely relative to each other (though players who did well obviously scored better) and for the aussies:

Langer: A
Hayden: C
Ponting: A
Martyn: A+
Clarke: C-
Gilchrist: A
Warne: B
Gillespie: B-
McGrath: A-
Lehmann: D
Kasprowicz: B+
Watson: B-
Macgill: B-
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kineria, the wicket-keeper, and the 2 openers are definite finds for Pakistan.

However, whoever was to blame for Shoaib's parformance in the last test (either the administrators who forced him to play or, more likely, himself) should be hauled over the coals.

In general, Pakistan need far more discipline in almost every area of their game if they are to improve.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Or maybe Shoaib needs to take care of himself more and concentrate on his fitness harder.

I felt the D- was a bit harsh. Ad Kamran was probably worth a B- at best IMO.
 

wahindiawah

Banned
marc71178 said:
And there was me thinking that the biggest test of a player was against the best side in the world.
When it comes to playing a leg spinner , India happens to be the best side in the world!
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Crazy Sam said:
pakistan have an alright team. in future if they choose a similar squad i'd go for:

butt
hameed
khan
youhana
inzamam
kamal
akmal
sami/khalil
asif
akhtar
kaneria

The problem is that akhtar is so volatile/unpredictable when it comes to injury, that if they go in with only four bowlers they run a huge risk of finishing with just 3. He should never have played in this third test.


i also have to say that it was poor form by channel 9 to not bother showing the presentations. very disappointing.
Channel 9 isn't showing the night session of Austraila A v Pakistan either on Wednesday night, at least not in Qld.
 

Josh

International Regular
Crazy Sam said:
i also have to say that it was poor form by channel 9 to not bother showing the presentations. very disappointing.
Channel 9 have no idea what's going on. They went to the news just before McGrath made his 50, and they did something similar with Warney earlier in the year (bowling, tho) if I'm not mistaken. It's out of hand. We need a free-to-air all sport channel... But it will never happen.
 

Josh

International Regular
Mister Wright said:
Channel 9 isn't showing the night session of Austraila A v Pakistan either on Wednesday night, at least not in Qld.
Is that a 20Twenty match, tho??
 

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