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**Official** Pakistan in Australia Thread

I think Pakistan don't have good frontline bowlers. Akhter is temperaamental and way over-rated , i mean has there been a test series in which akhter had taken 30-40 wkts?? He just bowl good in one test and fails in next 5 test, this is something Waqar Younis had pointed out earlier.

Not much can be expected from Sami as the lad is crap, i think Pakistan will be looking upto Danish, he's tthe only one who provides some hope.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Steulen said:
True. in recent times both Vettori and Warne have returned great figures at the WACA if I recall correctly.
Still, Sami/Akhtar bowling to a State side at the WACA..you'd expect good figures from the both of them. To see the wickets mainly being taken by Kaneria and the all-rounders makes me not expect a very tight match next week.
Shoaib, yes - Sami? Not really so sure. Neither his Test nor First-Class record are exactly special.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Mister Wright said:
Triangulars are great when they are competitive, but when there is one team who can barely win or post a challenging total then some of the games and in some cases most of the games lack interest.

I was originally against disposing of the triangular, but if it makes for more compeitive matches than I am all for it.
It all comes down to the fact that Bangladesh and Zimbabwe playing ODIs damages the credibility of them.
It's a great shame that they've played in so many events recently.
Hopefully the upcoming VB Series might recoil the faith in these potentially fantastic tournaments.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
vandemataram said:
I think Pakistan don't have good frontline bowlers. Akhter is temperaamental and way over-rated , i mean has there been a test series in which akhter had taken 30-40 wkts?? He just bowl good in one test and fails in next 5 test, this is something Waqar Younis had pointed out earlier.
How many 3, let alone 5, Test series has Shoaib played in?
Average is the only fair way to judge a bowler, not number of wickets per series.
Yes, Shoaib is inconsistent, but he's nonetheless had some phenominal series, and it's not his fault they've been short.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
It all comes down to the fact that Bangladesh and Zimbabwe playing ODIs damages the credibility of them.
It's a great shame that they've played in so many events recently.
Hopefully the upcoming VB Series might recoil the faith in these potentially fantastic tournaments.
Bangladesh are yet to play in a VB Series. They were here for a test series and 3 one dayers, but not a VB Series.

The fact that we are seeing Zimbabwe so much in the VB series is because there is so much cricket being played around the world at the same time, so it is hard to get two other quality nations here for a triangular tournament.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Yeah, I wasn't just meaning The VB Series, I was talking about triangulars around The World. Bangladesh will take part in the most pointless NWS yet next summer.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
Yeah, I wasn't just meaning The VB Series, I was talking about triangulars around The World. Bangladesh will take part in the most pointless NWS yet next summer.

Sorry, thought you were.

Which other team is involved in the NWS series?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Err... :)
It's a real shame - if we had another decent team it could be a really good prelude to The Ashes.
IMO the best thing to do would be to have the three-ODI series that is being played between us two as an Eng-Ban series, then invite a third team for the NWS.
A shame the possibility didn't occur to The ECB. :(
 

imranrabb

U19 Debutant
vandemataram said:
I think Pakistan don't have good frontline bowlers. Akhter is temperaamental and way over-rated , i mean has there been a test series in which akhter had taken 30-40 wkts?? He just bowl good in one test and fails in next 5 test, this is something Waqar Younis had pointed out earlier.

Not much can be expected from Sami as the lad is crap, i think Pakistan will be looking upto Danish, he's tthe only one who provides some hope.
Well you say pakistans frontline bowlers are crap while ponting rates them.Anyway pakistan are missing 2 frontline bowlers who are better then sami, shabbir ahmed and umar gul so they have to play someone from the reserves.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
Err... :)
It's a real shame - if we had another decent team it could be a really good prelude to The Ashes.
IMO the best thing to do would be to have the three-ODI series that is being played between us two as an Eng-Ban series, then invite a third team for the NWS.
A shame the possibility didn't occur to The ECB. :(

HaHa! I'm on fire. Should have remembered The Ashes.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There's talk Australia could drop a batsman and play 5 bowlers. Not needed IMO with a weak Pakistan batting line-up.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Who could possibly be dropped?!?!
Lehmann got 88 (something like that, wasn't it?) in his last innings, he'd be the only one otherwise.
You know what the talk is all about, of course - another way to try and get Lee into the side. It's really getting quite ridiculous.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
Who could possibly be dropped?!?!
Lehmann got 88 (something like that, wasn't it?) in his last innings, he'd be the only one otherwise.
You know what the talk is all about, of course - another way to try and get Lee into the side. It's really getting quite ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more. Perhaps they'll drop Gilchrist and give the gloves to Langer. Or they could drop Hayden... :wacko:
 

wahindiawah

Banned
Pakistan won’t last three days at Perth: Kim Hughes

Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq had admitted that if his young team manages to win even one Test match against Australia in the coming series it would be a big achievement.

In an interview to a leading Australian newspaper he said that hopefully Pakistan would be a very good team in two years time. "It’s difficult to build a new team but these boys are really talented, they’ve worked hard in the nets and they’ve learned a lot of things and hopefully in one or two years I think it will be a good team.

"But Australia is the number one team in the world; in both batting and bowling they are very strong. "If we win a game here I think it will be a big achievement for Pakistan," he said.

Asked if he expected anyone to give Australia a few surprises he stated: "Maybe our two new fast bowlers, Mohammad Khalil and Mohammad Asif. Maybe they will give Australia some surprise," Asked whether he was enjoying his role as Pakistan’s captain, he said: "When you are winning, I enjoy it.

But it’s difficult because we have so many youngsters."

"The first four or five months were really difficult for me, but now we’re used to our positions and captain’s requirements and the boys are really confident with me," he stated.

Meanwhile former Australian captain Kim Hughes said there was no need to play a pace quartet against Pakistan, as the world champions would have the first Test won inside three days with the incumbent bowling attack of Glenn McGrath, Jason Gillespie, Michael Kasprowicz and leg-spinner Shane Warne.

Pakistan meet Australia in the first Test at the WACA ground from December 16. Hughes, who captained the Australian Test team for the first time against Pakistan in Perth in 1978-79, said fast bowler Brett Lee (named in the test 12 on Friday) had no chance of playing in Perth.

"Anybody that understands the WACA understands that we get a strong sea breeze here — you can’t attack from both ends, you’ve got to push into the strong sea breeze. It’s different at the Gabba, it’s different everywhere else.

Hughes was on hand to see Western Australia knock over Pakistan’s top order in less than a session on the first day of the tour game on Thursday and having witnessed the visiting batsmen continually play away from their bodies on the bouncy WACA wicket, he saw little chance of Pakistan going the distance.

"I don’t think the Test will last more than three days," he said.

"I think the Pakistan bowlers will worry our batsmen - there’s no doubt they will do all right — but the batting ... I looked at yesterday and their wicketkeeper (Kamran Akmal, who made a duck against WA) looked ordinary with the bat.

"Their tail almost starts at seven or eight and it just looks like slips catching practise."

Hughes also doubted if Shoaib Akhtar was fit enough to carry the Pakistani bowling this summer.

"The bowling strength is there providing Shoaib stays fit and that’s a big question mark because he doesn’t look as fit as what I think he should be to play three Tests inside 22 days ... and they look very, very brittle in their batting. Unbelievably brittle."



This is pretty much something i've been saying since sometime.I'm sorry top say that Pakistan will end up being a laughing stock in the comming series against Australia.
 

imranrabb

U19 Debutant
Well at the moment pakistan havent seemed to adjust on australian pitches and some of the batsman like inzamam is out of form.Hopefully they will perform better on thursday and last at least 3 days
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
wahindia... give it a break. just dont lose to bangladesh :p
remember what happened the last time India played in Perth? :D
 

Mr Casson

Cricketer Of The Year
Mister Wright said:
There's talk Australia could drop a batsman and play 5 bowlers. Not needed IMO with a weak Pakistan batting line-up.
It's not only that. On a pitch where support is being given to your fast bowlers, you need to give support to your batsmen. Three fast bowlers are enough, and anything more is redundant, not to mention counterproductive.
 

imranrabb

U19 Debutant
If you see the past records many not only subcontinent teams but others too have struggled in perth.Ex-australian dennis lillie says pakistan can still perform due to their unpredictable nature.

Retired fast bowling great Dennis Lillee warned that Pakistan were a team that produced their best in big matches and despite lacklustre form on the current tour of Australia, they could not be written off.

Pakistan will take on Australia in three Tests with the opening fixture beginning in Perth on Thursday.

"I think that the Pakistanis are always a team that save their best until it's an interesting game," Lillee told Perth radio station 6PR.

"I don't see it as something they do on purpose - you can't take too much notice of their training and lead-up games."

Earlier today, Pakistan lost a scheduled four-day match to Western Australia by 10 wickets inside three days.

The tourists were also beaten by 10 runs in a three-day match against a Western Australian Second XI in their opening tour match and although they won a one-dayer against a Cricket Australia Chairman's XI, their form was less than impressive.

Lillee said the Australians could not afford to become complacent.

"They (Pakistan) are very much a team for the occasion and when they want to they can turn it on," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200412/s1263080.htm
 
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Crazy Sam

International 12th Man
australia should leave it as is, mainly because akhtar is a bigger threat than any of their batsmen are.
 

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