**Official** Pakistan and England in the UAE 2015/16

[Daemon]

Ha wow the ENG J Charles, what exactly are you basing that assessment on Roy on ?

Haha tbh, not much really. Roy's obviously the better player and less of a hack, but they're both aggressive limited over openers who look clueless and almost like tailenders at times but absolutely spank the living **** out of it on others.

 

[aussie]

Haha tbh, not much really. Roy's obviously the better player and less of a hack, but they're both aggressive limited over openers who look clueless and almost like tailenders at times but absolutely spank the living **** out of it on others.

That descriptions more suits Charles. Roy based on the recent ENG ODI efforts vs W-Cup finalist was showing slow but steady improvement in his overall game & at point did he look clueless. In fact in that AUS series where he averaged 40 - a little more patience maybe & he could have converted one of those half centuries into a maiden hundred.

 

[Prince EWS]

That descriptions more suits Charles. Roy based on the recent ENG ODI efforts vs W-Cup finalist was showing slow but steady improvement in his overall game & at point did he look clueless. In fact in that AUS series where he averaged 40 - a little more patience maybe & he could have converted one of those half centuries into a maiden hundred.

Yeah this the key thing. He seemed to actually be getting better with more exposure.

Yeah I still think Roy looks a bit crap, but the notable thing is that he does actually look better at this level with every game he plays.

I'd be much more inclined to drop Hales at this point who seemed to be getting worse and worse as that series went on, but given he's going to be opening in the South Africa Tests they'll probably be keen to give him a hit against an international attack. I think we'll be seeing either Moeen or Taylor batting five.

 

[Howe_zat]

Wish this had been a legit ODI. Then someone might be showing it. As it is we've got Cricinfo stuck on 170/3 for over an hour.

Also we have gone back in time as the scorecard currently says 140/1

 

[grecian]

SkySportsnews are doing decent updates, in short Moeen Ali is epic.

350odd Ali 71 off about 36

 

[Black_Warrior]

Pakistan's ODI squad

Pakistan One-Day Squad | Pakistan v England ODI Series, 2015/16 | Cricket Squads | ESPN Cricinfo


Younis Khan back in the side

Imad Wasim injured

Ahmed Shehzad

 

[Dan]

Roy is a spud.

 

[Howe_zat]

a bit of england batting https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/663301716855513089

 

[Niall]

Pakistan's ODI squad

Pakistan One-Day Squad | Pakistan v England ODI Series, 2015/16 | Cricket Squads | ESPN Cricinfo


Younis Khan back in the side

Imad Wasim injured

Ahmed Shehzad

Younis been picked is absolutely disgraceful. The guy has been a hack for so long in this format and constantly bullies his way into the team. He should have been binned after 2011 world cup semi, but somehow he forced his way into the 2015 world cup squad where he was absolute ****e when given a chance.

Anybody else would have retired after that from ODI cricket, but for some reason this guy seems completely oblivious to how useless he is in ODI cricket.

You would like to think if he failed in this test, that would be it for him, but it won't be. You'd be a brave man to bet against him forcing his way into the champions trophy squad in 2017.

Even if somehow he does get dropped, they will just pick the younger but less bullying version of him the equally crap Shafiq.


Nepal 54/1 (16.0 ov, AK Mandal 22*, Sagar Pun 1*, Wahab Riaz 0/1) - Drinks | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

No Rizwan in the ODI match today against Nepal, sadly he is likely to be sacrificed for Younis.

 

[kami10]

Nepal has no class vs international test team.i remember just last months or so dhawan hits 150 vs lanka A . all Pakistani mustered runs vs weak bowling today in 50 overs.

 

[kami10]

Nepal and Hongkong will be beaten today Vs, test team.

Nepal has no class vs international test team.i remember just last months or so, dhawan hits 150 vs lanka A . all Pakistani mustered runs vs weak bowling today in 50 overs.

I think England 172 for 3 vs hongkong ,in 26 overs. not far away from where,pakistan playing.Roy and Hales had explosive starts.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Younis been picked is absolutely disgraceful. The guy has been a hack for so long in this format and constantly bullies his way into the team. He should have been binned after 2011 world cup semi, but somehow he forced his way into the 2015 world cup squad where he was absolute ****e when given a chance.

Anybody else would have retired after that from ODI cricket, but for some reason this guy seems completely oblivious to how useless he is in ODI cricket.

You would like to think if he failed in this test, that would be it for him, but it won't be. You'd be a brave man to bet against him forcing his way into the champions trophy squad in 2017.

Even if somehow he does get dropped, they will just pick the younger but less bullying version of him the equally crap Shafiq.


Nepal 54/1 (16.0 ov, AK Mandal 22*, Sagar Pun 1*, Wahab Riaz 0/1) - Drinks | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

No Rizwan in the ODI match today against Nepal, sadly he is likely to be sacrificed for Younis.

Completely agree with you on all points. But I understand where he is coming from. This is a culture which does not value test cricket as the supreme form of cricket. It does perhaps give more importance to LO cricket. World Cup or World T20 or Asia Cup these are far more important among the 'fans'. I mean the very reason that Pakistan fans think 90s was a great decade (despite such a poor test record) is because Pakistan used to win major ODI tournaments back then.

Now, Younis Khan, despite being arguably one of the greatest batsmen the country has produced, knows very well that all his achievements amount to not much among Pakistan fans. He was narrating a sad story once how in 2006 in a test match against India, he and Yousuf were both batting on centuries and he was nearing a double, and the crowd was chanting Afridi Afridi Afridi and asking both him and Yousuf to get out so they could watch Afridi bat.

I know what he wants. He wants to contribute something major like World Cup or Champions Trophy now since I doubt even he thinks he can last another 4 years. He mentioned during the 2015 WC about the desire to emulate Miandad because let's face it.. Miandad and Imran are not heroes for 8.5k plus runs at 52 and 362 wickets at 22. They are immortal heroes for winning the 92 WC.

So I can understand at an individual level where he is coming from and his frustration at lack of any major recognition among the masses. He can score 10K runs at 54 and no one will care.

But from the team's perspective, this is hurting Pakistan ODI side badly. It hurts the team balance and more importantly keeps out Rizwan or Babar Azam. I am a huge fan of both and would love to see both in action in the 4 ODIs.

Azhar
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Rizwan
Sarfraz
Asif
Anwar
Yamin
Yasir
Irfan

I really don't want Wahab playing these ODIs. The guy alread looked jaded in the third test after the marathon spells of the first 2 test matches. The last thing you want is another major injury like Junaid's case and then coming back after 4 months out of the game.

When will Pakistan learn to manage their fast bowlers like Steym, MJ, Anderson ?

 

[kami10]

MOEEN ALI Smashed 36 Ball 71, Bats # 7

EngXI 342/8 (50.0 ov, AU Rashid 11*, DJ Willey 5*, Ehsan Nawaz 0/30) | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
mooen Ali smashed 36 balls 71
hongkong chasing 343 in 300 balls

 

[kami10]

Niall

yunis khan about to retires, as soon as he completes 10,000 test runs.yet he desires to play for ODI, in both lanka and UAE, so he was selected for later.well, Lyon also wants to play all format but Australia only wants him in test

younis really lucky aged guy. PCB urged Misbah not to retires. I remember Pakistan once, called 47 years old miran Baksh in test match, years ago., in 1960.

 

[aussie]

Yeah this the key thing. He seemed to actually be getting better with more exposure.



I'd be much more inclined to drop Hales at this point who seemed to be getting worse and worse as that series went on, but given he's going to be opening in the South Africa Tests they'll probably be keen to give him a hit against an international attack. I think we'll be seeing either Moeen or Taylor batting five.

Yea Hales form is a worry, but in this new dispensation for the ENG ODI team I'm all about backing the Hales/Roy combo over a bit more of an extended run since they could easily replicate partnerships like Warner/Finch, Guptil/McCullum.

 

[grecian]

Yea Hales form is a worry, but in this new dispensation for the ENG ODI team I'm all about backing the Hales/Roy combo over a bit more of an extended run since they could easily replicate partnerships like Warner/Finch, Guptil/McCullum.

Or they could not because they're not good enough. Not sure how easy it is to make average players into good ones, I'm reasonably sure just picking them continuously might not be the way.

 

[aussie]

Warner for example doesn't have a comparable record in ODIs to his test form mind you. AUS just kept backing him over the years in the format to come good & while the record is still not perfectly reflective of his ability as yet - they have full faith in him.

Guptil too although generally a ODI player was very streaky, NZ backed him until he gave them their countries highest individual ODI score in W-Cup.

IMO I see no evidence Hales/Roy are not good enough to not be a dangerous long term ODI opening pair, they have all basics required. If they don't, but and crash & burn it would be a shock.

 

[grecian]

Warner for example doesn't have a comparable record in ODIs to his test form mind you. AUS just kept backing him over the years in the format to come good & while the record is still not perfectly reflective of his ability as yet - they have full faith in him.

Guptil too although generally a ODI player was very streaky, NZ backed him until he gave them their countries highest individual ODI score in W-Cup.

IMO I see no evidence Hales/Roy are not good enough to not be a dangerous long term ODI opening pair, they have all basics required. If they don't, but and crash & burn it would be a shock.

Guptill is the only one you may have a point with, the Warner thing makes little sense he was pretty much always awesome in limited-overs wasn't he. The basics of Hales seems to be ridiculously bad starter, and an inability to switch the strike, I'd play Roy with Ali because he ma?be better, but there's no way I'm convinced he has any more basic abilities than 100s of County players. I see no real evidence either hales/Roy will be a long-term partnership, I hope I'm wrong actually, we desperately need it. Yet on a small sample size Moeen looks better as opener than both.

 

[Cabinet96]

Roy is a bit of a flog but he probably doesn't warrant being dropped.

 

[FBU]

Or they could not because they're not good enough. Not sure how easy it is to make average players into good ones, I'm reasonably sure just picking them continuously might not be the way.

I think they are being given a run until the SA series no matter how good or bad they are. So it will be about 20 ODIs.