**Official** Pakistan and England in the UAE 2015/16

[smash84]

I can see Pakistan adding another 100 runs AND I can see such a lead (300) not being enough. In other words, this pitch isn't exactly becoming a minefield. Very good test imho!

If Pak can manage a lead of 300 then it might be difficult to chase it down in one day even if Pak don't get wickets (Since the pitch doesn't seem like a minefield)

 

[OverratedSanity]

I always think "highest successful chases" is a stupid stat. England have never chased over 209 in Asia, but they scored 312 in a 4th innings in the same country, against the same bowling attack, with the same batting lineup, little over a week ago. Surely that's more/just as relevant?

Yup. I mention this every time a commentator produces that particular stat.

 

[Stapel]

If Pak can manage a lead of 300 then it might be difficult to chase it down in one day even if Pak don't get wickets (Since the pitch doesn't seem like a minefield)

Good point.
Thanks for correcting my horrible way to express that a draw is still on the cards.

 

[Spark]

I always think "highest successful chases" is a stupid stat. England have never chased over 209 in Asia, but they scored 312 in a 4th innings in the same country, against the same bowling attack, with the same batting lineup, little over a week ago. Surely that's more/just as relevant?

Chases take on a life of their own. Just because you might make 300 chasing 450, doesn't mean you won't collapse in a heap short of 250 on the same pitch against the same attack.

 

[smash84]

Good point.
Thanks for correcting my horrible way to express that a draw is still on the cards.

But as you say if the pitch doesn't get much worse then England are definitely in with a chance with 300.

Especially if Root can get going, that man can score thick and fast

 

[smash84]

a four ball every over from Rashid, he needs to sort out his control

 

[Stapel]

I always think "highest successful chases" is a stupid stat. England have never chased over 209 in Asia, but they scored 312 in a 4th innings in the same country, against the same bowling attack, with the same batting lineup, little over a week ago. Surely that's more/just as relevant?

Succesful chases are only relevant as a ratio compared to unsuccesful (as in no draws) ones. A statistic that's somehow never used.

 

[Spark]

But as you say if the pitch doesn't get much worse then England are definitely in with a chance with 300.

Especially if Root can get going, that man can score thick and fast

Pitch is already taking notable turn, though. England's spinners just aren't good enough to exploit it (and these two are batting well)

 

[smash84]

Pitch is already taking notable turn, though. England's spinners just aren't good enough to exploit it (and these two are batting well)

interesting, since i am not watching it so its hard to tell. Not much mention of it on CI so was assuming its still a good pitch to bat on without any problems

 

[Cabinet96]

We had a bit of an opening but it's pretty much gone now.

 

[Spark]

interesting, since i am not watching it so its hard to tell. Not much mention of it on CI so was assuming its still a good pitch to bat on without any problems

It's a good pitch to bat on in the context of accomplished players of spin against mediocre spinners, yes.

 

[Cabinet96]

Chases take on a life of their own. Just because you might make 300 chasing 450, doesn't mean you won't collapse in a heap short of 250 on the same pitch against the same attack.

Of course. But equally chasing 250 isn't some impossible task you'd only have a hope of doing once in a blue moon, which is kind of what is implied when those stats come up. It's just about getting a balance of perspectives, which most people with a good understanding do.

 

[Spark]

There's your turn.

 

[MW1304]

It's gonna suck losing this 2-0, could have been so different.

 

[Cabinet96]

Maybe I spoke too soon. Pakistan should forfeit for twice getting beaten on the outside edge and bowled by Samit Patel.

 

[smash84]

There's your turn.

ohhhh, interesting

 

[smash84]

So with 3 wickets remaining Pakistan have a lead of 240 so far. Looking difficult to get a lead of 300 now

 

[Spark]

I mean it must be frustrating; there's clearly assistance there on offer but that doesn't do you much good when you bowl two rank full tosses in an over.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Need these last three quickly or the target will be too many.

Probably too many already given the turn on offer.

 

[Stapel]

Does that Samit Patel over tell us it's easy to score runs or easy to get a wicket?