**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[Scallywag]

Wake up and smell the roses boys.

Australia are in deep, deep trouble.

If you cant see that, then youre incredibly arrogant. .

Maybe you are a bit niave social, Aus have only lost 6 of their 20 wickets.

Dont forget also they have won their last three test where they were behind after the first innings, NZ have played well and have their noses in front but you would be incredibly niave to think Australia wont fight back and win this test.

there is lesson in that for you social, dont underestimate a champion team.

 

[anzac]

And Fleming should have been out to the first ball of the day. Lets not leave anything out.

didn't mean to imply it was all 1 way traffic - just that those 2 decisions happened while I was typing (McCullum & Vettori).............

and I think my posts on the 50/50 decisions should indicate an impartial view regarding who they may 'favour'........

 

[Buddhmaster]

I think it's safe to say now, that Australia are unbeatable.

 

[anzac]

oh well nothing new happened today - we've seen it in every series for the past 2 seasons........according to cricinfo they've only managed to avoid defeat the once when batting 3rd in 7 innings.........

 

[Buddhmaster]

I've got to say it really annoys me when I get up in the morning hoping to see NZ having a real go at it, only to see Langer and Hayden out there already . Australia's dominence is ridiculous. I feel bad for the other cricketing nations.

 

[anzac]

I think it's safe to say now, that Australia are unbeatable.

nope - they are certainly beatable and by that I don't mean that old cliche about everydog has its day or whatever................

IMO with their 4 man bowling attack they are vulnerable to the ravages of time if having to bowl for an extended period.................

problem being that I doubt that any of the current intnl sides have the right balance of players to be able to take the game to them across the board & take any advantage they may gain thru bat or ball..............

this current ENG on full song has the best chance of any, but their mental resolve & tactics remain in question v AUS.................

time will tell.............

 

[Buddhmaster]

I really don't see how England will beat Australia. England have shown they have what it takes to beat South Africa, but that's a long way off Australia.

 

[anzac]

I've got to say it really annoys me when I get up in the morning hoping to see NZ having a real go at it, only to see Langer and Hayden out there already . Australia's dominence is ridiculous. I feel bad for the other cricketing nations.

you shouldn't - it's up to them to raise their own bar, not for AUS to become shackled or anything..........

it's not really rocket science what they've done - it's up to every other home board to look at what they want to achieve & then put a game plan together & execute it...........

 

[Buddhmaster]

Btw, their 4 man bowling attack consists of 3 of the world's best bowlers. And Kaspa's not bad either.

 

[anzac]

I really don't see how England will beat Australia. England have shown they have what it takes to beat South Africa, but that's a long way off Australia.

as I said their tactics / execution will play a part as if they play as they did v RSA they will loose The Ashes series IMO............

but I still say they have probably the best balance in their team to take AUS on - provided everyone is firing together..........

 

[MoxPearl]

i think i would give our batters more credit losing the game than the aussie bowlers.. HOPELESS.. honestly... so poor.. and it happens OVER AND OVER AND OVER again in the 2nd innings..

what can u do about it ?

**** all :/

 

[anzac]

Btw, their 4 man bowling attack consists of 3 of the world's best bowlers. And Kaspa's not bad either.

true but it has been made to struggle b4 (not often), but the opposition haven't then had their own firepower to put the AUS batting away,

or it happens visa versa,

but not often enough over a series.............

 

[Buddhmaster]

as I said their tactics / execution will play a part as if they play as they did v RSA they will loose The Ashes series IMO............

but I still say they have probably the best balance in their team to take AUS on - provided everyone is firing together..........

Do you rate the english bowlers. Caus I don't think any of them are that good at all.

 

[Buddhmaster]

i think i would give our batters more credit losing the game than the aussie bowlers.. HOPELESS.. honestly... so poor.. and it happens OVER AND OVER AND OVER again in the 2nd innings..

what can u do about it ?

**** all :/

Convince Cairnes to come back would be a start.

 

[Blaze]

there is lesson in that for you social, dont underestimate a champion team.

Totally agree.

At no point in the game did I think Australia would lose for the simple fact that they are awesome and they only have to fire for one session to win a game

 

[Blaze]

Convince Cairnes to come back would be a start.

Hes injured now anyway.. along with the other 50 or so players it seems that we have injured

 

[anzac]

i think i would give our batters more credit losing the game than the aussie bowlers.. HOPELESS.. honestly... so poor.. and it happens OVER AND OVER AND OVER again in the 2nd innings..

what can u do about it ?

**** all :/

the AUS seam bowlers did change their lines in the 2nd innings which did have an impact - instead of looking for edges behind the wicket they went straight looking for lbws & bowled, much like they did in IND.........

the rest was down to poor shot selection & technique

and I refuse to believe that nothing can be done about it when we are seeing the same core of players fail the same way over & over again.........the 1st thing you can do is change the ratio & balance of the team by brining in some new faces & different tactics..........

the WORST thing that could happen now is for everyone to delude themselves that the result would have been different if we had Styris, Oram, an in form Tuffey & Fleming.....we've had them all and nothing different has happened for the past 2 seasons..........

Einstein said something that the definition of futility is to do the same thing repeatedly & expect something different to happen..........

 

[social]

there is lesson in that for you social, dont underestimate a champion team.

I dont underestimate them but if they make the same mistakes versus Endland it could be goodbye Ashes.

We were playing against a team with 1 bowler and 2 in form batsmen.

We picked the wrong team, made the wrong decision at the toss, fielded badly, batted poorly with the exception of Katich and Gilchrist, and still won by 9 wickets.

That is as much a reflection of the Kiwis as us.

 

[anzac]

Do you rate the english bowlers. Caus I don't think any of them are that good at all.

when they are fit & in form their attack has a nice balance to it atm with someone suited to just about most situations.........to be even better they lack a left arm seam option

 

[anzac]

Convince Cairnes to come back would be a start.

nope - that's a step backwards IMO..............

Cairns has been a spent force at Test level for a number of seasons.........IMO he has had 1 good innings with bat or ball per series, which is not good enough to be selected as either let alone as allrounder..........