**Official** New Zealand in West Indies

[straw man]

Flem is on a rampage.

Any discussion on changing team is irrelevant unless we can get Gayle out. Only thought there is that Bracewell would be a little more likely to dismiss him than N. McCullum and Oram (and Ellis). Likely to cost runs though.

When Flynn was brought into the ODI team as a finisher the first time round, that was a stupid idea and failed miserably. Should be middle order though like most he struggles against Narine. Or could be left out on current form.

McCullum should bat in top 3 - in this ODI side he is close to our best batsman, regardless of record. No point hiding him down at 6/7.

Guptill
Nicol
McCullum
Flynn/Brownlie
Williamson
Watling
N McCullum
Bracewell
Southee
Mills
Nethula/Oram

 

[straw man]

Wow, just watched Nicol's dismissal from side on. So many different trigger movements in different directions - it's awful.

 

[Mike5181]

Flem is on a rampage.

Any discussion on changing team is irrelevant unless we can get Gayle out. Only thought there is that Bracewell would be a little more likely to dismiss him than N. McCullum and Oram (and Ellis). Likely to cost runs though.

When Flynn was brought into the ODI team as a finisher the first time round, that was a stupid idea and failed miserably. Should be middle order though like most he struggles against Narine. Or could be left out on current form.

McCullum should bat in top 3 - in this ODI side he is close to our best batsman, regardless of record. No point hiding him down at 6/7.

Guptill
Nicol
McCullum
Flynn/Brownlie
Williamson
Watling
N McCullum
Bracewell
Southee
Mills
Nethula/Oram

I'd probably go something like:

1. Martin Guptill
2. Brendon McCullum
3. Daniel Flynn
4. Kane Williamson
5. BJ Watling
6. Kruger Van Wyk
7. Nathan McCullum
8. Jacob Oram
9. Doug Bracewell
10. Tim Southee
11. Kyle Mills

 

[thierry henry]

Marlon Samuels' "quicker ball" is still pretty filthy innit?

 

[Flem274*]

Marlon Samuels' "quicker ball" is still pretty filthy innit?

We could have done with it being called for what it was by the umpires.

Would we score a free hit out of it?

 

[straw man]

I'd probably go something like:

1. Martin Guptill
2. Brendon McCullum
3. Daniel Flynn
4. Kane Williamson
5. BJ Watling
6. Kruger Van Wyk
7. Nathan McCullum
8. Jacob Oram
9. Doug Bracewell
10. Tim Southee
11. Kyle Mills

I can't really argue too much with you dropping Nicol (though sceptical on Van Wyk in ODIs). Oram probably more likely to control the scoring rate through the middle overs than Nethula, though Nethula more likely to get wickets. Don't like the idea of dropping Nethula though, seeing as he seems to be bowling pretty well and improving.

 

[Mike5181]

I can't really argue too much with you dropping Nicol (though sceptical on Van Wyk in ODIs). Oram probably more likely to control the scoring rate through the middle overs than Nethula, though Nethula more likely to get wickets. Don't like the idea of dropping Nethula though, seeing as he seems to be bowling pretty well and improving.

Van Wyk won't get picked after just two ODIs but it's an option for game 4/5 if we put in another terrible performance. He's in the test squad anyway.

I'm not entirely sold on Nethula. Oram's not exactly destroying the opposition with the ball though so it's understandable.

 

[Athlai]

Guptill
McCullum
Ryder
Taylor
Williamson
Watling
Franklin
NcCullum
Mills
Southee
Bowler X

^ That'd be my ODI team.

 

[Mike5181]

Cheater*

 

[Mike5181]

Someone like Bevan Small for that last bowling spot.

 

[Athlai]

Kuggs IMO.

 

[Mike5181]

Kuggs IMO.

4 @ 67 in List A so far.

 

[kyear2]

Am I the only person who though that Samuels played a selfish innings post 80, and cost us a chance to really post a good score. Playing for your hundred at that point in the innings is not acceptable. If not for Sammy (cant believe I said that) we would have been struggling.

 

[roseboy64]

I thought Russell was meant to be express? Far from it so far.

Oh ffs.

Nah he's just got decent pace. Won't be getting it up to 90mph regularly.

 

[roseboy64]

Am I the only person who though that Samuels played a selfish innings post 80, and cost us a chance to really post a good score. Playing for your hundred at that point in the innings is not acceptable. If not for Sammy (cant believe I said that) we would have been struggling.

Yeah he did pretty much. Didn't matter much in the end but something to fix for next time.

 

[SteveNZ]

Am I the only person who though that Samuels played a selfish innings post 80, and cost us a chance to really post a good score. Playing for your hundred at that point in the innings is not acceptable. If not for Sammy (cant believe I said that) we would have been struggling.

If you want to talk selfish, talk Martin Guptill.

Incidentally I agree with you, however Samuels scored a run-a-ball hundred so we can absolve him to a point. It's natural when nearing a hundred, if not a bit average.

But Guptill scored 51 off 83, or something like that chasing 315. He never made any effort to keep up with the rate. Our middle order of Williamson, Watling etc is never going to play catch-up and Guptill is the one charged with increasing the rate. But he plodded along, got a decent score on the board then got out in his usually soft as a pillow fashion. Weak. Selfish and weak.

 

[straw man]

Think you're being harsh - I thought Guptill looked like someone who knows if he gets out the rest of his side aren't capable of scoring many (see first match). Then ended up being so tentative that he scored slowly instead.

 

[Hurricane]

Think you're being harsh - I thought Guptill looked like someone who knows if he gets out the rest of his side aren't capable of scoring many (see first match). Then ended up being so tentative that he scored slowly instead.

I didn't see the game. But this is the misfortune of all underperforming teams. Batsman thinking they have to do all the scoring themselves instead of batting aggressively and taking calculated risks.

 

[straw man]

Yes it is. Especially when they know the opposition batsmen are likely to score about 20% more than par score every time - the pressure is really on and it would be hard to strike a balance between risk and conserving wickets.

Also Guptill is just not that good at working spinners for singles.

 

[SteveNZ]

Think you're being harsh - I thought Guptill looked like someone who knows if he gets out the rest of his side aren't capable of scoring many (see first match). Then ended up being so tentative that he scored slowly instead.

I definitely hear you but he can't think about that. He needs to think about scoring at a rate that keeps his team in the contest, and presume his team-mates can do the job below him. That innings never had impetus, on a smallish ground, flat deck and bowlers that aren't the world's most threatening (Narine aside - no issue treating him with full respect).