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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I think we might actually miss Anderson's bowling a bit in this match. He's much more of a pitch-it-up-and-swing-it bowler than Neesham. I can see Jimmy struggling a bit in these conditions.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
Bahnz said:
I think we might actually miss Anderson's bowling a bit in this match. He's much more of a pitch-it-up-and-swing-it bowler than Neesham. I can see Jimmy struggling a bit in these conditions.
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Anderson really hasn't bowled well since his batting exploded though, he's been very inconsistent.

I think we're more likely to miss Wagner running in hard all day irregardless of the match position to be honest. Southee and Boult aren't built to run in hard all day on flat wickets and winkle out key wickets like Wagner has a tendency of doing. I just hope Neesham steps up and provides the work horse otherwise we'll be relying on a very green spinning attack in between bursts with the new ball and reverse swing.
 
KiWiNiNjA

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
Such a good days play. I hadn't realised I had timed my arrival back to NZ so well.

Although if I was smart about it I would have probably flown home via Jamaica.

A shame that Latham fell short of a well deserved century, surely he has cemented an opening slot. I'd like to say it's the end of Fulton, but Rutherford has hardly done anything to secure his spot either.
 
Blocky

Blocky

Banned
That was always the problem with this bowling attack for me, once you leave Wagner out, you're really relying on the ball moving through the air and the ability to take quick wickets during new ball and reverse swing periods to be an effective attack, or you're placing your bets on Sodhi and Craig being able to out perform the very highest expectations anyone with a reasonable mind would place on them.

At least with Wagner you've got someone who has proven he can take guys like Chanderpaul and Bravo out even if the conditions aren't giving him much to work with.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
KiWiNiNjA said:
A shame that Latham fell short of a well deserved century, surely he has cemented an opening slot. I'd like to say it's the end of Fulton, but Rutherford has hardly done anything to secure his spot either.
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That's going to be the funny thing.

If Fulton fails in the second innings, there's still no justifiable reason to drop him, because the replacement is Rutherford.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Blocky said:
Or an order re-shuffle.
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I really hope Hesson doesn't.

While ultimately our ideal top 6 might include McCullum, Ryder or Williamson opening, it's very much a fantasy top 6 given that Ryder is out and we still need to play an all rounder while we're carrying not one but 2 spin bowlers in the side. I think we're better off at the moment sticking to the sacrificial lamb.
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
hendrix said:
That's going to be the funny thing.

If Fulton fails in the second innings, there's still no justifiable reason to drop him, because the replacement is Rutherford.
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Who has still been better than Fulton over the recent past. Like I said a few pages back, since that third test against England Fulton averages 18. I mean ****ing hell how did he even make this tour again? This guy literally hasn't scored a run since that third test, even domestically he's been rubbish. He's the definition of a walking wicket.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Howsie said:
Who has still been better than Fulton over the recent past. Like I said a few pages back, since that third test against England Fulton averages 18. I mean ****ing hell how did he even make this tour again? This guy literally hasn't scored a run since that third test, even domestically he's been rubbish. He's the definition of a walking wicket.
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Yeah.

I'm hoping Papps, Jeet Raval or Flynn get the call up next tour.
 
B

Blakey

State Vice-Captain
I don't think people are being too over the top at all.

There's been a generous smattering of congratulations for an absolutely dominant day 1 for NZ. A continuation of what happened in NZ really.

Could things fall apart tomorrow? Hell yes, NZers love to give their wicket away
 
WindieWeathers

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Blocky said:
The stats indicate that a score above 300 will make it incredibly hard for the Windies to compete in their current situation. NZ look on track to make at least 400 even with a mid order collapse and without doubt have a much better seam attack than the Windies. The Windies will have to bat last on this wicket which will make crap spinners like Sodhi, Williamson and Craig look like superstars and ultimately, Windies didn't penetrate enough on Day 1 to make it difficult for NZ to set a big target.
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NZ had a first innings lead the last time they played at Sabina in 2012!!..they didn't win...so again i wouldn't be counting any chickens if i was you...it wasn't long ago we posted over 500 against NZ on a similar flat deck.
 
WindieWeathers

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Blakey said:
I don't think people are being too over the top at all.

There's been a generous smattering of congratulations for an absolutely dominant day 1 for NZ. A continuation of what happened in NZ really.

Could things fall apart tomorrow? Hell yes, NZers love to give their wicket away
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One dominant day doesn't win matches...you need more than that. I'd also mention that it was the same in Bang, big scores put on but couldn't win a game...so people need to wait until we bat first before popping open the champers imo :D .
 
ohnoitsyou

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
WindieWeathers said:
One dominant day doesn't win matches...you need more than that. I'd also mention that it was the same in Bang, big scores put on but couldn't win a game...so people need to wait until we bat first before popping open the champers imo :D .
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No, but one dominant day when you expected to get rolled for 200 is huge. Ohh and Howsies predictions on the WI bowling came true.

Even if we draw thats still an accomplishment for the first test on foreign soil
 
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Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
WindieWeathers said:
NZ had a first innings lead the last time they played at Sabina in 2012!!..they didn't win...so again i wouldn't be counting any chickens if i was you...it wasn't long ago we posted over 500 against NZ on a similar flat deck.
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Against Chris Martin, Doug Bracewell, Neil Wagner and Dan Vettori. Yeah that's real relevant two years on.

I'd dare say, just looking at the history of this ground, if New Zealand go 350+ (which is looking realy good right now) we are right in the box seat.
 
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