• Welcome to the Cricket Web forums, one of the biggest forums in the world dedicated to cricket.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Cricket Web community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

*Official* New Zealand in India 2010

vandem

International 12th Man
Considering he hasn't even got a provincial contract... Even though I am a ND supporter I'd say Beard is the next best spinner in NZ, and he showed that with some good performances in Zimbabwe and on the Emerging Players tour.
Agree. There was some discussion about this here earlier in the year (see below).

If I was a selector I'd be picking the best two spinners in the test squad, even if they are both left armers. But IMHO the most competitive chance for NZ is to hope for enough bounce / reverse swing to pick three seamers + Vettori + part-timers Williamson + Ryder.

Howsie said:
[about Beard] He'll play for New Zealand within the next year IMO, rate him bloody highly. I reckon he's a better spinner then Patel already too, not like that means much though.
vandem said:
Don't think so, unless Vettori is injured. In next year we have tours to SL (ODI) then Bang (ODI/test) and India (ODI/test) (unless India reschedule us to 20-never... and replace us with some T20 stuff), then home vs Pak in Dec/Jan then World Cup.

IMHO selectors won't punt on Beard as a 2nd spinner in the sub-continent, will take McCullum for ODI stuff, take Patel to Bang where he'll do well enough to be picked for India. Then back home only 1 spinner is needed. So Beard be a victim of timing, will need to wait until after a 2nd first class season to move up the pecking order ...
 

Chewie

International Vice-Captain
Agree. There was some discussion about this here earlier in the year (see below).

If I was a selector I'd be picking the best two spinners in the test squad, even if they are both left armers. But IMHO the most competitive chance for NZ is to hope for enough bounce / reverse swing to pick three seamers + Vettori + part-timers Williamson + Ryder.
Well Bangladesh played like 3 left arm spinners and we all know how they did...

I agree with you on the side selection though. Williamson should provide enough spin to be useful on the pitches and it doesn't reduce our batting lineup at all
 

Chewie

International Vice-Captain
Is there a warm up game on this tour? I was going to say that this might make the decision but I can't seem to find reference to one on cricinfo?
No there isn't one, and there's not really that much time before the first match anyway. Would probably have been better for the players who were in the Bangladesh squad to make their way directly to India and begin preparing. They need it.
 

Polo23

International Debutant
Doubt it.

McIntosh
Watling
McCullum
Taylor
Ryder
Gutill
Vettori
Hopkins
Southee
McKay
Martin
Was thinking the same thing. While i'd like to see Williamson there, I think Guptill does have a lot to offer in the future so i'm not entirely disappointed if that is the route they take. I'd prefer Arnel or Bennett over Martin though.
 

Chewie

International Vice-Captain
Neither Southee nor McKay bowled terribly well in Bangladesh, while Arnel had some good spells against Zimbabwe A. At least that's what the scorecards suggest. So I don't think the selectors would choose both Southee and McKay to be in the starting XI. Seeing as McKay offers a bit of pace and left arm variation, Southee would probably be the one to miss out for Arnel. The only problem with that is a very weak 9-11.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Arnel Southee and Martin are the incumbents. I hope the selectors take that into account. And Southee is our future so he is the first that should be in. He needs to learn and grow. IF there are any question marks it should be over Martin.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Brent Arnel might become a victim of the hunt for young bowling talent imo. Southee, McKay, Bennett and possibly others might always be ahead of him because the selectors may think he's just another 30 year old domestic medium fast bowler. Martin is the one who is seen as the old hand to guide the youngsters through.
 

Chewie

International Vice-Captain
Arnel Southee and Martin are the incumbents. I hope the selectors take that into account. And Southee is our future so he is the first that should be in. He needs to learn and grow. IF there are any question marks it should be over Martin.
I agree, but I think the selectors have stuck by Martin long enough to suggest that they will continue to do so. It will be in the best interests of everyone if he retires though :p
 

Flem274*

123/5
Now that people are finally jumping on my "Martin sux lolz" wagon, he's so going to take 6 wickets in the first innings.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Brent Arnel might become a victim of the hunt for young bowling talent imo. Southee, McKay, Bennett and possibly others might always be ahead of him because the selectors may think he's just another 30 year old domestic medium fast bowler. Martin is the one who is seen as the old hand to guide the youngsters through.
Thought provoking post.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Now that people are finally jumping on my "Martin sux lolz" wagon, he's so going to take 6 wickets in the first innings.
You ****en' betcha he will.

Does anyone else think it's really odd that New Zealand has no warm up games for this tour? I mean, I suppose NZC and the BCCI must've decided that the tour of Bangladesh was effectively going to serve as a warm-up for the India tour, but a handful of ODI's on pitches that aren't really that similar to what New Zealand will experience in India doesn't seem like enough prep for a 3 match series, our first in a year. Not that I think us getting a few warm-up games would make much difference mind, but it's going to make things even harder.
 
Last edited:

Top