**Official** New Zealand in Australia Thread

[Mr Casson]

just looking up nicholson's stats, he played one test against england and was the best bowler in the 2nd innings for australia with 3/56. might be good if someone could enlighten me as to why he was dropped.....

He only got his three wickets because the batsmen were laughing so hard at his action.

 

[wpdavid]

i'd like to introduce u guys to the fact that Dizzy's still on the right side of 30, I'd like to introduce u to Sean Tait... and Brett Lee

I wonder how Dizzy's legendary fitness will handle him carrying the attack in 3 years time ... All I know of Tait is that he was quite dreadful for Durham in our summer, although I suppose that was also true of Harmison a few years back, so who knows. As for Lee, do you really want me to point out his post-injury statistics?

 

[EnglishRose]

I think MacGill is on the wrong side of 30.

If he and Warnie were born in any other Test playing nation, they would both get in the national side without question.

Warne yes...Macgill I'm not so sure. He isn't as good as most Australians make him out to be.

 

[Dasa]

MacGill'd probably get into most non-Subcontinental sides, barring England with Giles' form of late.

 

[vic_orthdox]

quite possibly the fact that a number of gillespie's injuries have been freak accidents and not wear and tear injuries mean that the muscles and joints that he uses when bowling still have plenty of use in them, and he has been playing cricket on a consistent basis *SMASHES WOOD* since coming back from the horror smash with steven waugh.

brett lee (as much as i dislike him) has been a good bowler in one day internationals, where he doesn't have to think as much. if he can get his head right, he is a long term solution.

"no tait?" - sourav ganguly when the australian team for india was picked. shows that tait worries arguably the best batting line-up in the world in his early 20s.

and brad knowles (for those who have seen the aussie domestic thread :d ). krezja is also a real long term alternative - surely his attacking style of spinning can be used as a weapon once the current generation of spinners retire. and a young leg spinner from victoria (not necessarily cameron white)

 

[Crazy Sam]

brett lee is ordinary even in one dayers. in many of his last one dayers he went for 50+ runs. krezja is about fifth or sixth in line IMO. certainly hauritz, white, hogg, simpson are ahead of him.

but i think it will be a while before australia has a real, true, big spinner of the ball in one dayers...they'd rather go for someone who can roll it over fairly well and can also bat a bit.

 

[Joao_Quinto]

just looking up nicholson's stats, he played one test against england and was the best bowler in the 2nd innings for australia with 3/56. might be good if someone could enlighten me as to why he was dropped.....

I believe he played in place of an injured player (not sure who) and for the next test that player was fit and was reinserted into the lineup. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Retox]

I wish NZ would drop Sinclair he has had a couple of good games. Thats all.

McMillan should take his place And have Fleming/Richardson Opening with McMillan,Styris then Astle. As the top order. McMillan is a fighter.

 

[Mr Casson]

Why would Astle be as low as 5? Isn't he more of a top order player?

 

[Retox]

In tests he bats at 4-5 Either is good.

 

[meatspx]

The problem with NZ's top order is that ideally stryris & astle would be batting at 5 & 6. Even McMillan should be batting at 6.

 

[Macka]

Too many middle order players. There is no way Sinclair should be dropped, he is the only batsman who scored runs against NSW and he has been in form. He shouldn't be opening but so far he has proved me wrong about that (not that I mind).

 

[Retox]

Too many middle order players. There is no way Sinclair should be dropped, he is the only batsman who scored runs against NSW and he has been in form. He shouldn't be opening but so far he has proved me wrong about that (not that I mind).

Sinclair has had lots of chances to show his worth and he never has. McMillan has also had chances but McMillan will fight the aussies and go out and try and prove them wrong. Sinclair has not changed. Of course that is IMO and I respect your Opionion


I think Sinclair like Spearman is one of those players are good in First Class but lack the "it factor" to play good for there country

 

[meatspx]

Well it looks like that McMillan is definately playing and Marshall will be left out. Bracewell has said that blooding a player against Australia will be unfair, and that McMillan's experience would do the side good.

 

[Mr Casson]

Sinclair has had lots of chances to show his worth and he never has. McMillan has also had chances but McMillan will fight the aussies and go out and try and prove them wrong. Sinclair has not changed. Of course that is IMO and I respect your Opionion


I think Sinclair like Spearman is one of those players are good in First Class but lack the "it factor" to play good for there country

Well.

 

[Kent]

I wish NZ would drop Sinclair he has had a couple of good games. Thats all.

McMillan should take his place And have Fleming/Richardson Opening with McMillan,Styris then Astle. As the top order. McMillan is a fighter.

If McMillan's such a fighter, why did he say a 60-odd in an ODI last summer should keep the critics off his back "for a few games"!!

He was so slow picking up the ball and lifting his 2-tonne mallet of a bat against Harmison and Flintoff, he was made to look like a tailender. The Aussies should feel slightly embarrassed if they can't do the same.

I think now that McMillan's getting exposed at international level, he has no idea why his natural talent would suddenly be failing him. Sometimes his sensitivity to criticism briefly turns things around - he plays a lot less open-faced glides and sweeps when he's angry, and generally gets better results.

Whereas the more studious players like Fleming went away and identified their flaws and rebuilt their techniques, McMillan arrogantly believes his reckless 'do what I feel like' approach is still good enough.

Maybe there aren't any better options yet with Marshall's trend of soft outs to slow bowlers, but there's no doubt NZ will keep suffering from painful middle-order inconsistency by picking players with McMillan's attitude.

 

[Kent]

The NZ side will be named at around 9pm NZT apparently.

Unfortunately for my TAB bet, there's a chance McCullum will be made a serious 'run out of partners' candidate at #8!

 

[Retox]

If McMillan's such a fighter, why did he say a 60-odd in an ODI last summer should keep the critics off his back "for a few games"!!

He was so slow picking up the ball and lifting his 2-tonne mallet of a bat against Harmison and Flintoff, he was made to look like a tailender. The Aussies should feel slightly embarrassed if they can't do the same.

I think now that McMillan's getting exposed at international level, he has no idea why his natural talent would suddenly be failing him. Sometimes his sensitivity to criticism briefly turns things around - he plays a lot less open-faced glides and sweeps when he's angry, and generally gets better results.

Whereas the more studious players like Fleming went away and identified their flaws and rebuilt their techniques, McMillan arrogantly believes his reckless 'do what I feel like' approach is still good enough.

Maybe there aren't any better options yet with Marshall's trend of soft outs to slow bowlers, but there's no doubt NZ will keep suffering from painful middle-order inconsistency by picking players with McMillan's attitude.

I am intrested in your views of Sinclair.

 

[bryce]

it seems odd that the aussies have singled out new zealanders that they are going to target.
hayden has said he will target vettori, mcgrath said he will target astle and warne will target fleming.

it sounds a stupid idea(if it is true) to leave marshall out because it would be 'unfair' to blood him, i would of thought a couple of tests against the worlds best would of been a good judge of whether he is any good or not seeing he hasn't done much wrong at all in ODI's or tests(where he currently averages 109), although i think craig mcmillan does hold a place in new zealands short-term future he seems to be in two minds at the moment and really needs to sort his stuff out and get some confidence back.

 

[Linda]

it seems odd that the aussies have singled out new zealanders that they are going to target.
hayden has said he will target vettori, mcgrath said he will target astle and warne will target fleming.

Why is that odd? They do it all the time.