*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2022

[Athlai]

Jam odis tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

Seriously you're ungrateful ****s

NZ regularly are one of the best teams in the world in cricket and with one 300th the population of India and hardly any one in NZ even likes cricket. And 1/5th the population of Australia.

It's an outstanding effort to even compete

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Seriously you're ungrateful ****s

NZ regularly are one of the best teams in the world in cricket and with one 300th the population of India and hardly any one in NZ even likes cricket. And 1/5th the population of Australia.

It's an outstanding effort to even compete

That sounds very condescending ala "punch above their weight".

This series was there for the taking - no matter how well Oz fought back we threw it away.
We lost a test at home to Bangladesh, stuffed up a chance of a first series win over SA, and only 3 players (Mitchell, Blundell, and Boult) stood up to a fairly average England side that hadn't won in a very long time.

We also have the oldest team in world cricket with many retiring, seemingly past their peak/hitting a wall and there is little or no sign of succession planning.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That sounds very condescending

I'm mostly joking but yeah

Sometimes I can't help it

NZ have the better team in this series and should have won

 

[Flem274*]

Seriously you're ungrateful ****s

NZ regularly are one of the best teams in the world in cricket and with one 300th the population of India and hardly any one in NZ even likes cricket. And 1/5th the population of Australia.

It's an outstanding effort to even compete

nah, sport isn't population controlled. if it was the west indies and australia dominating 95% of history wouldn't be a thing.

there are countries with actual problems/limitations like extreme poverty, economic collapse, rampant violent crime etc who have been there or thereabouts for a very long time. south africa, india, sri lanka, pakistan etc.

david white, gary stead and the history of nzc would prefer your narrative though, because it takes the heat off their jobs. population doesn't force you to give jobs for the lads or prevent you from closing out games you're dominating, or instilling a national sporting body culture of downplaying expectations for a century to ensure the jobs remain safe and the heat isn't on like with those pesky all blacks.

it is exceptionally easy to access sports in nz, australia, america, england etc to a good level with clear pathways to the top and stable lives around it. that matters much more when building a top sporting nation. at school if you wanted to play cricket but didn't have money you just needed to sign up for a school team, you could use the team gearbag and if you did well you could get into teams that could play schools all around the country and play club cricket with direct ties to major associations.

indias population with meaningful access to sports on the level of nz and australia might only be about 100 million (spitballing here). that's a big gap, but population doesn't seem to mean much when you only need about 100 professional players (aus and nz have 6 domestic sides).

 

[Athlai]

nah, sport isn't population controlled. if it was the west indies and australia dominating 95% of history wouldn't be a thing.

there are countries with actual problems/limitations like extreme poverty, economic collapse, rampant violent crime etc who have been there or thereabouts for a very long time. south africa, india, sri lanka, pakistan etc.

david white, gary stead and the history of nzc would prefer your narrative though, because it takes the heat off their jobs. population doesn't force you to give jobs for the lads or prevent you from closing out games you're dominating, or instilling a national sporting body culture of downplaying expectations for a century to ensure the jobs remain safe and the heat isn't on like with those pesky all blacks.

it is exceptionally easy to access sports in nz, australia, america, england etc to a good level with clear pathways to the top and stable lives around it. that matters much more when building a top sporting nation. at school if you wanted to play cricket but didn't have money you just needed to sign up for a school team, you could use the team gearbag and if you did well you could get into teams that could play schools all around the country and play club cricket with direct ties to major associations.

indias population with meaningful access to sports on the level of nz and australia might only be about 100 million (spitballing here). that's a big gap, but population doesn't seem to mean much when you only need about 100 professional players (aus and nz have 6 domestic sides).

ok

 

[straw man]

Most reactive fanbase in cricket going real hard atm

Sack Gary Stead you say? Why yes, good idea.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

nah, sport isn't population controlled. if it was the west indies and australia dominating 95% of history wouldn't be a thing.

there are countries with actual problems/limitations like extreme poverty, economic collapse, rampant violent crime etc who have been there or thereabouts for a very long time. south africa, india, sri lanka, pakistan etc.

david white, gary stead and the history of nzc would prefer your narrative though, because it takes the heat off their jobs. population doesn't force you to give jobs for the lads or prevent you from closing out games you're dominating, or instilling a national sporting body culture of downplaying expectations for a century to ensure the jobs remain safe and the heat isn't on like with those pesky all blacks.

it is exceptionally easy to access sports in nz, australia, america, england etc to a good level with clear pathways to the top and stable lives around it. that matters much more when building a top sporting nation. at school if you wanted to play cricket but didn't have money you just needed to sign up for a school team, you could use the team gearbag and if you did well you could get into teams that could play schools all around the country and play club cricket with direct ties to major associations.

indias population with meaningful access to sports on the level of nz and australia might only be about 100 million (spitballing here). that's a big gap, but population doesn't seem to mean much when you only need about 100 professional players (aus and nz have 6 domestic sides).

Good unironic post to an ironic one.

 

[Skyliner]

Unfortunately the hangover from winning the World Test Championship is the amount of leeway it has bought the current coaching group. The set-up is in desperate need of invigoration via an injection of fresh ideas and new faces.

 

[Kippax]

Heinrich Malan types don't really want to work in New Zealand anymore. Even the doctors and nurses often just use New Zealand as their landing pad to then get into Australia, they say.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Most reactive fanbase in cricket going real hard atm

We don't burn effigies of our players when we lose.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I do, I just bought ten Michael Bracewells.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I do, I just bought ten Michael Bracewells.

Are we talking the blow-up versions? Can't imagine they'd be big sellers

I'd take a few Kyle Jamiesons though

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Papier mache, just like the ones serial killers use.

 

[Zinzan]

Jayzus, these guys are so mentally cooked whenever they play Australia. The core of the side just never recovered from the humiliation they suffered in the 2015 final.

Yep, and I read Stead went out of his way to say they don't have a mental block against Aust, when patently they do.

Both teams share this inherent core belief that Australia will invariably win which means even if we get them 85/9, Aust will invariably put on a 70 run last wicket stand, and still manage to roll us. They know it and we know it, & it's become pathological.

 

[Moss]

tl;dr - its knowing they don't see anything wrong that gets me. they sure love being called the strongest nz ever (they haven't been since mid 2021) and having a giggle in the dugout while losing and handing out caps to the good boys.

Yeah, this. Not so much pissing away games against Australia in that fashion when we don't get to see those too often. But we've seen these issues coming for a very long time, dating as far back to the India tour last November (we were prepared to cut some slack then as it was the first big series after the WTC final). I wonder if the thought "you know, maybe this isn't working", has even crossed their minds.

 

[vandem]

IMHO Kane's captaincy is the big problem. The 2016 -19 Kane wouldn't have made such terrible decisions as the 2022 Kane made on the England tour (giving up on Ajaz after Stokes tonked a few, over-bowling Boult and Southee, picking Macewell as 4th specialist bowler). Perhaps he is too busy ruminating on his poor batting returns and/or injuries over the last 2 seasons?

I think back to the 5th day captaincy masterclass at Eden Park vs England in the day/night test and wonder what happened to that Kane.

 

[NZTailender]

I think back to the 5th day captaincy masterclass at Eden Park vs England in the day/night test and wonder what happened to that Kane.

We changed coaches in that time, no?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Finch retiring from ODIs.

 

[Spikey]

did finch finish his speech before marnus offered to replace him as opener