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Importance of having a player like Steve Smith, might not have looked like much at the time but looking back that was a crucial knock
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*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2022
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Fuller Pilch
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And the 2011 team (also truly awful although the nucleus of the great side to follow) actually pinched a test match.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
Zimbabwe managed to steal a win against the same side NZ's best odi side can't get close to beating. Just odd all around.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Just realised. We've been destroyed by 2 Aussie spinners in the last 2 games - Maxwell and Zampa. Is Dan Vettori enemy no 1 like McCullum was a couple of months ago.
Spark
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It was a good innings but he still got out with just 117 on the board. Kind of bewildering how the match progressed from there
Neil Young
State Vice-Captain
I'll hazard a guess at conservative. Just a hunch
Fuller Pilch
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I remember he got a 70 he got against Australia batting quite high (4 or 5?)
Moss
International Captain
Yeah did feel as if a switch was flicked then, but seeing NZ of late actually wasn’t that much of a surprise - they just seem rather clueless outside their comfort zones atm. Doesn’t help that Kane is in some weird ongoing safety-first phase as both captain and batsman.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Tempted to keep Guptill, move Conway to 4 and keeping and rest Latham (poor against good pace attacks).
Moss
International Captain
TBF these are the kinds of wickets Latham is useful on, as we saw in the first game. Though you’d never know he’s been a test opener for 8 years from his dismissal today.
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An example that immediately came to mind for me:
New Zealand beat Australia, New Zealand won by 4 wickets (with 5 balls remaining)
NZ 251/4 vs AUS 253/6 - New Zealand won by 4 wickets (with 5 balls remaining) in Melbourne, Carlton & United Series 1997, January 21, 1998
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13 overs bowled by Astle/McMillan!
Neil Young
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The late 90s NZ side was pretty good actually. Mid 90s was obviously terrible and rife with division, but once the Crowe/Rutherford shambles sorted itself out (one retired, the other bailed to SA) Fleming lead a good side with match-winners in it.An example that immediately came to mind for me:
New Zealand beat Australia, New Zealand won by 4 wickets (with 5 balls remaining)
NZ 251/4 vs AUS 253/6 - New Zealand won by 4 wickets (with 5 balls remaining) in Melbourne, Carlton & United Series 1997, January 21, 1998
13 overs bowled by Astle/McMillan!
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Nonetheless an even worse team beat Aus in an ODI over there in 1993/94 (and drew a test series 1-1 with them in NZ in 92/93).
I can't paste the scorecard successfully on my phone but this team (Bryan Young, Rod Latham, Andrew Jones, Ken Rutherford, Mark Greatbatch, Shane Thomson, Chris Cairns, Tony Blain, Gavin Larsen, Chris Pringle, Richard De Groen) beat this one (Mark Taylor, David Boon, Dean Jones, Mark Waugh, Damian Martyn, Allan Border, Ian Healy, Paul Reiffel, Shane Warne, Tim May, Glenn McGrath).
How many of that NZ team would make this current NZ team? Probably just 3 of them - (Jones, Cairns, and Larsen) whereas 6 or 7 of that Aussie team would make their current side.
Nintendo
Cricketer Of The Year
1.Warner
2.Mark Waugh/Finch*
3.Smith
4.Dean Jones
5.Green/Martyn?
6.Carey
7.Maxwell
8.Warne
9.Starc
10.Haze
11.Mcgrath
*Unsure who the better ODI player between junior and finch at peak, but finch's form is so poor rn it doesn't matter.
Martyn was a fine ODI cricketer but green is averaging 48/27 in ODI's atm and is a generational talent, plus gives a genuine 6th option. Carey isn't worthy of eating healies jockstrap as a keeper but his batting is more valuable, may be worth getting border in just for the captaincy, even if he doesn't make the side as a batsmen.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
Wait what? We beat Australia 30% of the time in ODI's? Not as bad as I'd have thought given the way we choke to death against them.
RossTaylorsBox
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Bryan Young would get in I reckon.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
Fell asleep with the radio in the background when it was about 130/8.
To wake up to that dross scorecard is a dire experience, guess we're toast if we get to play Zimbabwe soon.
Fancy all those morons collecting money because they bet on Kane to top score, they should be ashamed with themselves.
To wake up to that dross scorecard is a dire experience, guess we're toast if we get to play Zimbabwe soon.
Fancy all those morons collecting money because they bet on Kane to top score, they should be ashamed with themselves.
Moss
International Captain
Generally had the better of Aus in white ball matches at home in the last decade and a half, so that helps the overall percentage look better.
Despite the complete meltdown in this match, I don't think NZ have had a better chance to beat Aus on their own turf than in these two games. Australia have been surprisingly off the pace for a full-strength side (sans Cummins), don't think they've played anywhere close to potential on unusually slow pitches, though the pacemen have been excellent as usual. NZ were in commanding positions at various points in both games (compared to say the last series in 2016 when they were playing catch-up from ball one), but thanks to muddled thinking it's been same old.