Redbacks
International Captain
Siddle 6/40 and then 0/160 in the 2nd dig.
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***Official*** New Zealand in Australia 2011
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
Started off pretty lively as I recall*. Just got progressively more like tarmac when the sun had baked it for two or three days.
*Cruel minded readers might want to insert their own "lively enough for Siddle to take a hat-trick, anyway" joke here.
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hasn't been anywhere near as much rain about this year as last year so the pitch should play differently.
It felt like the last Gabba test was the only five consecutive days between October and February we had up here.
Hope the pitch is a bit better than last years one.
It felt like the last Gabba test was the only five consecutive days between October and February we had up here.
Hope the pitch is a bit better than last years one.
KiWiNiNjA
International Coach
Ditto
howardj
International Coach
Lawson Blasts Rotation Policy
I have got to agree with Henry here. Not only has the "new age" rest and rotation/loading/workload management of recent times not resulted in a reduction of injuries (quite the opposite, it's actually coincided with a seeming increase in fast bowlers being sidelined) but it's based on a false premise - namely that guys are playing much more cricket now than they used to. Moreover, it makes players feel insecure about their role in the team, and it presupposes that we have the depth to cater for such a selection policy.
I have got to agree with Henry here. Not only has the "new age" rest and rotation/loading/workload management of recent times not resulted in a reduction of injuries (quite the opposite, it's actually coincided with a seeming increase in fast bowlers being sidelined) but it's based on a false premise - namely that guys are playing much more cricket now than they used to. Moreover, it makes players feel insecure about their role in the team, and it presupposes that we have the depth to cater for such a selection policy.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Fast bowler injuries is a difficult one with a lot of people having fairly entrenched views on why these occur and what should be done to reduce them.
I think Australia has simply been very lucky with injuries for the last decade because McGrath and Warne were almost always fit. Gillespie (71 tests) , Kasprowicz (38 tests), Lee (76 tests) etc did all have injury troubles at times but were still fit for extended periods. This is a very unappreciated ability for a bowler, that can make them indispensable to the team (even if they're average like Chris Martin).
Almost every other test-playing nation* has gone through a period in the last 10-15 years like Australia is now, where it seems like 2 out of every 3 fast bowlers are injured at the same time. I think it's normal that this happens every so often, unless you are blessed with 2 or 3 bowlers who, for whatever reason, don't seem to get injured. Not necessarily a reason to throw hands up in air and declare that everything is being done wrong.
At least it doesn't seem like any of the current injuries are career-threatening.
* ok, this is off the top of my head.
I think Australia has simply been very lucky with injuries for the last decade because McGrath and Warne were almost always fit. Gillespie (71 tests) , Kasprowicz (38 tests), Lee (76 tests) etc did all have injury troubles at times but were still fit for extended periods. This is a very unappreciated ability for a bowler, that can make them indispensable to the team (even if they're average like Chris Martin).
Almost every other test-playing nation* has gone through a period in the last 10-15 years like Australia is now, where it seems like 2 out of every 3 fast bowlers are injured at the same time. I think it's normal that this happens every so often, unless you are blessed with 2 or 3 bowlers who, for whatever reason, don't seem to get injured. Not necessarily a reason to throw hands up in air and declare that everything is being done wrong.
At least it doesn't seem like any of the current injuries are career-threatening.
* ok, this is off the top of my head.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
If you hated Siddle as much as Spikey does and agreed with the selectors about Copeland's abilities, you could argue that Australia's best seven fast bowlers are all injured. That's pretty ridiculous.
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
This is something I was thinking about the other day actually.
Back in the early 80s, a tour to Australia for just about everyone would have been 4-5 Tests and plenty of ODIs (was the World Series Cup finals not a best of 5 event back in the day?). Touring sides would probably have played quite a few FC warm up games and most of the Test players would have had quite a few Shield games as well. Even as recently as the 1990s, an Australian Ashes tour would have started in May, would have seen the team take on every single county, as well as a few games against composite sides like a Minor Counties XI, and finished in September, and England would have played all of the state sides at some point on an Ashes tour.
I suppose the main difference between now and 30 years ago is that you'd only have had 1 series (if that) per season, as opposed to the 2 or sometimes 3 that teams have now.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
I think NZ pre-match optimism is reaching almost unsustainable levels in the media. I consider myself an optimist and I think we have maybe 15-20% chance of taking the first test. This is more than enough to get me excited, but Australia are still overwhelming favourites.
If we play well we're certainly capable of putting Australia under a lot of pressure and getting ourselves into a position of strength in the first day or three. It could happen (though equally it could not). It's closing out the match from a position of strength where I have very very little faith in our abilities.
If we play well we're certainly capable of putting Australia under a lot of pressure and getting ourselves into a position of strength in the first day or three. It could happen (though equally it could not). It's closing out the match from a position of strength where I have very very little faith in our abilities.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Luke Butterworth and Mark Cameron.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
O'Keefe and Hauritz, maybe?
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah them too actually; but I did just mean fast bowlers.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Forgot about your hard-on for Cameron, which is pretty impressive given that I'm also reading through the tour match thread in the Ashes subbie.
Thought you didn't rate Butterworth?