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***Official*** NatWest Series/Challenge

Pedro Delgado

International Debutant
Scaly piscine said:
This is where cricket becomes completely a batsman's game. Just a shame England's top order couldn't bat.
To be fair they don't have to face McGrath and Le.....oh bugger it, to be fair my **** we're playing like 4 year olds and what is Gough doing in the side and why was SJ subbed ffs.

Glad the ODI's are over, bring on the Lord Mayors Show.
 

dynamo

Cricket Spectator
Aussies showing England how its done, dont p*ss about and wait to lose wickets in the first ten overs.

Just worried that the amount of early wickets we are losing will transfer into the test side.

Hmm, England 96-6 in a test against the Aussies. All too familiar!
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Gough picks up Hayden, could be his last wicket in an England shirt - I hope it's not, but I still don't want him in the next match!
 

Pedro Delgado

International Debutant
dynamo said:
Aussies showing England how its done, dont p*ss about and wait to lose wickets in the first ten overs.

Just worried that the amount of early wickets we are losing will transfer into the test side.

Hmm, England 96-6 in a test against the Aussies. All too familiar!
Most if not all openers struggle against McGrath, there will be times this series when we'll be 50-3, that's life against the Aussies. That's why the middle-order is so important and also why Thorpe is a must IMO.

Any road up, I'd rather look at our Test record this past 18 months than our ODI record; a tight series beckons I reckon.

Edit to add: welcome by the way :cool:
 

Pedro Delgado

International Debutant
Barney Rubble said:
Gough picks up Hayden, could be his last wicket in an England shirt - I hope it's not, but I still don't want him in the next match!
Which is what, the PAK tour? Or do we have a wee tourney before then. Tremlett surely will replace Gough. <crosses fingers>
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
But McGrath still ended up with 0-40, slightly more economical than Symonds.
Something to do with being belted around at the death perhaps?

Honestly, do you ever give any credit to anyone? If Australia score runs, it's because England bowled badly. If Australia take wickets, it's because England batted badly.

I guess you think Strauss got out to a bad shot?
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Pedro Delgado said:
Which is what, the PAK tour? Or do we have a wee tourney before then. Tremlett surely will replace Gough. <crosses fingers>
It's the Pakistan tour, and Tremlett simply must come in. I don't see what he did that made them drop him in the first place. He'll be challenging Simon Jones for the third seamer's position on the winter tour, or possibly even by the time the Ashes ends - the other possibility is that Simon Jones will have a stunning Ashes series, turning it in England's favour. I have a strange feeling it'll go to one extreme or the other with Jones this summer.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Gough going at 9.25 an over, Giles slapped for 6 by Gilly - this is depressing stuff for an England fan. They haven't even used the fifth bowler yet - whatever bizarre combination of Collingwood/Vaughan/Solanki/Trescothick/Pietersen it ends up being.
 

dynamo

Cricket Spectator
and England basically dropped Jones for Gough today??

Total joke by the management and captain, total joke.....
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Gooch just called Gilchrist "Gilcrease" on TMS. :wacko: :D

Harmy back on, magic needed. Come on GBH. Five overs left to have them cowering in fear before next Thursday.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
FaaipDeOiad said:
Something to do with being belted around at the death perhaps?

Honestly, do you ever give any credit to anyone? If Australia score runs, it's because England bowled badly. If Australia take wickets, it's because England batted badly.

I guess you think Strauss got out to a bad shot?
That's exactly how it seems to be when Australia lose - must be Australia out of form, or it's just some meaningless game, or it was the toss being 'decisive'.

I didn't actually mention the Australian bowlers at all, mostly because the pitch is so good that it doesn't figure much into the equation - all you can do is avoid bowling long-hops or half-volleys and hope for the best.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Adamc said:
Who's GBH? George Bradley Hogg? Or Great Big Harmison? :blink:
It was the "Grievous Bodily Harmison" thing from when he was ripping the Windies apart in the Caribbean. Doesn't really apply today, though. :dry:

Great Big Harmison is almost the only thing you can say about him today.
 

dynamo

Cricket Spectator
Time for England to change the one day team round a bit, drop Vaughan and appoint a new One Day captain. Bring in Tremlett / Lewis etc and get shot of Gough & Giles.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
well Gilly is charging towards his 11th ODI century, it will been a while since he has scored one if my memory is correct its his 1st century since his 172 at hobart againts zimbabwe...
 

Pedro Delgado

International Debutant
dynamo said:
Time for England to change the one day team round a bit, drop Vaughan and appoint a new One Day captain. Bring in Tremlett / Lewis etc and get shot of Gough & Giles.
Lewis for Giles? Ha ha you're drunk sir.

Tremlett will come in, and you may call me Susan if it isn't so.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
That's exactly how it seems to be when Australia lose - must be Australia out of form, or it's just some meaningless game, or it was the toss being 'decisive'.
Or maybe I actually watch the games and make a reasoned judgement based on what happens in them, rather than assuming every instance of winning the toss must be exactly the same value as every other instance of winning the toss, every game must be of equal significance and so on?

You would know, if you paid any attention, that I've have nothing but praise for Flintoff with the ball in this series, and I also think Harmison has bowled exceedingly well at times. Collingwood used the conditions perfectly at Headingley, too, while Flintoff, Pietersen, Collingwood and Jones have all had moments of brilliance with the bat. England for the most part have fielded better than Australia aside from the last two games, their first and second change bowlers have been much better, and they've fought back brilliantly from situations where Australia looked certain to win on two occasions. I pointed out the significance of the toss at Headingley because, you guessed it, the toss was extremely significant. Inserting Australia first on such a pitch was an advantage to begin with, but when the conditions changed so dramatically between the innings it only made it more noticable. The toss in the other games has been no more significant than it usually is in a one day game, which is to say it mattered, but it didn't put any particular team at a massive advantage off the bat.

Scaly piscine said:
I didn't actually mention the Australian bowlers at all, mostly because the pitch is so good that it doesn't figure much into the equation - all you can do is avoid bowling long-hops or half-volleys and hope for the best.
Rubbish. Bowlers like McGrath have made a career out of taking wickets on flat pitches. You don't just put it in the right area and hope for a mistake, although that helps, you can work for wickets as well. You would know if you watched the game that the ball that got Strauss straightened to a significant degree off the seam, and turned what should have been a regulation defensive push into an edge to Gilchrist. It was brilliant bowling by Kasprowicz, and dismissing it as "poor batting" just shows how readily you attack your own players, and how blatantly you refuse to give the opposition any credit. Pietersen batted brilliantly, but was removed by a brilliant slower ball. Trescothick too, was removed by a clear plan from the Australians in the same way Martyn was in the first game. Vaughan fell to brilliant fielding.
 

dynamo

Cricket Spectator
Pedro Delgado said:
Lewis for Giles? Ha ha you're drunk sir.

Tremlett will come in, and you may call me Susan if it isn't so.
Giles does absolutely nothing though, waste of a space in the team. If they are going to plan for WC 2007 then start now.
 

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