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[irfan]

His 10,000 ODI runs and the number of times he has bailed us out in that format means nothing to you too?????????????????

Is your question mark key on your keyboard permanently jammed cos if not, it's getting really annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See what I mean

 

[honestbharani]

Is your question mark key on your keyboard permanently jammed cos if not, it's getting really annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See what I mean

lol.. got it. will cut it down. sorry.

 

[SJS]

Here is a list of some batsmen from the IPL stats to date. They are in a particular order of stats. Can anyone guess what that is ? What is it where Ganguly and Uthappa top the list while Laxman and Dravid are at the bottom ?

1. Saurav Ganguly
2. Robin Uthappa
3. Wasim Jaffer
4. Graeme Smith
5. VVS Laxman
6. David Hussey
7. Rahul Dravid

 

[biased indian]

Slow SR

 

[SJS]

Slow SR

Exactly and the point is that Ganguly has a much lower strike rate than Laxman and Dravid and yet the Indian media doesn't make you feel this is so. His strike rate is lower even than Jaffer's !

Secondly, Robin Uthappa inspite of his mindless jumping out as a modern day Viv Richards, and getting so many fortuitous runs from snicks has such a poor strike rate as well and yet you have to read the Indian newspapers and you will never believe that is the case.

By the way, not only Ganguly's strike rate of 105 lower than VVS's 117 and Dravid's 127 but even his average of 21.0 is much lower than their 31 and 30.3 respectively and yet....

Its cruel, it really is.

 

[masterblaster]

Exactly and the point is that Ganguly has a much lower strike rate than Laxman and Dravid and yet the Indian media doesn't make you feel this is so. His strike rate is lower even than Jaffer's !

Secondly, Robin Uthappa inspite of his mindless jumping out as a modern day Viv Richards, and getting so many fortuitous runs from snicks has such a poor strike rate as well and yet you have to read the Indian newspapers and you will never believe that is the case.

By the way, not only Ganguly's strike rate of 105 lower than VVS's 117 and Dravid's 127 but even his average of 21.0 is much lower than their 31 and 30.3 respectively and yet....

Its cruel, it really is.

That's really revealing SJS. I guess it all comes down to perception doesn't it?

Laxman and Dravid can score quickly and have done so in the past. I remember Dravid playing some great hands at ODI cricket and playing the Michael Hussey or Michael Bevan role really well.

 

[SJS]

That's really revealing SJS. I guess it all comes down to perception doesn't it?

Laxman and Dravid can score quickly and have done so in the past. I remember Dravid playing some great hands at ODI cricket and playing the Michael Hussey or Michael Bevan role really well.

Yes it does and we need to ask ourselves howcome ??

 

[masterblaster]

Yes it does and we need to ask ourselves howcome ??

Most definitely. Dravid has always been a valuable member of the ODI setup. A career tally of 10,000 runs suggets this. Add to that his cricket knowledge and his good fielding, he certainly shouldn't have been discarded the way he was.

Many times when the more illustrious Yuvraj Singh, Virender Sehwag and the like have repeatedly failed, it has been Rahul Dravid more often than not being the backbone and ressurecting the innings. As a Michael Hussey or Michael Bevan type finisher, he certainly has a role to play.

In the current lineup, neither Rohit Sharma or Robin Uthappa seem solid enough to rebuild a poor start by the top order. The only man capable of that somewhat is Dhoni, but he often plays a lone hand sometimes when things at the top don't go so well.

 

[SJS]

Most definitely. Dravid has always been a valuable member of the ODI setup. A career tally of 10,000 runs suggets this. Add to that his cricket knowledge and his good fielding, he certainly shouldn't have been discarded the way he was.

Many times when the more illustrious Yuvraj Singh, Virender Sehwag and the like have repeatedly failed, it has been Rahul Dravid more often than not being the backbone and ressurecting the innings. As a Michael Hussey or Michael Bevan type finisher, he certainly has a role to play.

In the current lineup, neither Rohit Sharma or Robin Uthappa seem solid enough to rebuild a poor start by the top order. The only man capable of that somewhat is Dhoni, but he often plays a lone hand sometimes when things at the top don't go so well.

By the way, Gambhir has a strike far better than Dhoni's. Incidentally, Gambhir also disproves the general perception that T 20 in particular and high strike rates in general have to do with six hitting capability.

Gilchrist, for example hits a six every 14.4 balls and has a strike rate of 145.0. Gambhir is one of the worst six hitters amongst the leading batsmen in IPL (46 balls per six) and yet his strike rate almost at par with Gilly's at 143.5 ! Of course, his batting average at 46.5 against Gilchrist's 33 is far superior.

By the way, Dhoni hits a six every 21 balls, more than twise as often as Gambhir and yet he strikes at 131.7 runs per 100 balls !!

Gambhir gets his good strike rate and fantastic consistency by hitting the pickets rather than over them He hits 18.2 boundaries per 100 balls faced against Dhoni and Uthappa's 12.3.

I find it fascinating.

Sure there will be players like Jayasuriya but for most top batsmen there is a lesson from Gambhir's success. If you cant hit sixes, no issues as long as you are good enough to find the gaps.

Dravid needs to forget about the reverse sweep or the slogs and he will do well enough irrespective of media hype and public perceptions and Mallaya throwing fits.

 

[ret]

ret calling someone a dunderhead.....

do you have any probs with me thinking that Dravid is a dunderhead? Or have I stepped on your tail

do u even watch the games?

Boucher was miked up and he himself said he had an injury and they were asking whether it will affect his England tour.....

the answer to that is already given in my post that you quoted

Originally Posted by ret
any link where it says Boucher is injured? .... below is the probable line up in the preview on cricinfo

Bangalore Royal Challengers (probable): 1 J Arunkumar, 2 Virat Kohli, 3 Misbah-ul-Haq, 4 Rahul Dravid (capt), 5 Jacques Kallis, 6 Mark Boucher (wk), 7 Praveen Kumar, 8 B Akhil, 9 Zaheer Khan, 10 Anil Kumble, 11 Dale Steyn

link

or are you making the comment by assuming that I m suppose to wake up early to see a game involving B'lore and find out whats happening to them

so isn't it clear from that that I didn't watch the game .... is comprehending whats implied is too much a task for you

 

[ret]

Exactly and the point is that Ganguly has a much lower strike rate than Laxman and Dravid and yet the Indian media doesn't make you feel this is so. His strike rate is lower even than Jaffer's !

Secondly, Robin Uthappa inspite of his mindless jumping out as a modern day Viv Richards, and getting so many fortuitous runs from snicks has such a poor strike rate as well and yet you have to read the Indian newspapers and you will never believe that is the case.

By the way, not only Ganguly's strike rate of 105 lower than VVS's 117 and Dravid's 127 but even his average of 21.0 is much lower than their 31 and 30.3 respectively and yet....

Its cruel, it really is.

Dravid's SR has been pumped up when playing some meaningless knocks when his team was totally out of the game

i wouldn't recommend Ganguly to a T20 team but he is playing some of the games at Kolkatta which has been difficult for batting .... similar is the case with Bombay where MI have played on seamer friendly wkts, iirc .... so Uthappa comparatively low SR is understandable

i wouldn't take those SR figs at face value

 

[SJS]

Dravid's SR has been pumped up when playing some meaningless knocks when his team was totally out of the game

i wouldn't recommend Ganguly to a T20 team but he is playing some of the games at Kolkatta which has been difficult for batting .... similar is the case with Bombay where MI have played on seamer friendly wkts, iirc .... so Uthappa comparatively low SR is understandable

i wouldn't take those SR figs at face value

Any knock can be called meaningless when a team is nowhere near winning most of the time.

 

[pasag]

Nice 6 from Kallis and a good strat from Bangalore. McGrath started excellently as usual but Sangwan has really lost the plot here.

 

[Nate]

HAHAHAHA

Worst decision I've ever seen in cricket. Ever.

 

[Sanz]

Dravid's SR has been pumped up when playing some meaningless knocks when his team was totally out of the game

i wouldn't recommend Ganguly to a T20 team but he is playing some of the games at Kolkatta which has been difficult for batting .... similar is the case with Bombay where MI have played on seamer friendly wkts, iirc .... so Uthappa comparatively low SR is understandable

i wouldn't take those SR figs at face value

And what is the strike Rate of Sanath Jaisurya ? May be they have different pitches for Sanath and Uthappa.

He probably has the worst SR among the mumbai batsmen who have scored 100+ runs. Same is true for Ganguly i.e. Worst SR among KKr batsmen who scored 100+ runs.

 

[pasag]

Haha McGrath going psycho here.

 

[ret]

And what is the strike Rate of Sanath Jaisurya ? May be they have different pitches for Sanath and Uthappa.

He probably has the worst SR among the mumbai batsmen who have scored 100+ runs. Same is true for Ganguly i.e. Worst SR among KKr batsmen who scored 100+ runs.

Sanath is in a different league than Uthappa .... if you are expecting Uthappa to be right up there with Sanath, who is also in a smashing form then i guess you are expecting too much from Uthappa

i do agree that both Uthappa and Ganguly have to pull up their socks

 

[ret]

Any knock can be called meaningless when a team is nowhere near winning most of the time.

I didn't watch that game where he made 75 of 36 balls, but looking at the scorecard he walked in the 9th over, when B'lore were 31/4, which means that they had to get 167 or so of 12 overs .... thats RRR of around 14

End of over 9 (2 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 33/4 (165 runs required from 11 overs, RR: 3.66, RRR: 15.00)

End of over 10 (5 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 38/4 (160 runs required from 60 balls, RR: 3.80, RRR: 16.00)

End of over 11 (4 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 42/5 (156 runs required from 54 balls, RR: 3.81, RRR: 17.33

End of over 12 (8 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 50/5 (148 runs required from 48 balls, RR: 4.16, RRR: 18.50)

End of over 13 (19 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 69/5 (129 runs required from 42 balls, RR: 5.30, RRR: 18.42) .... the over where they actually keep up with the RRR

End of over 14 (4 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 73/7 (125 runs required from 36 balls, RR: 5.21, RRR: 20.83)

End of over 15 (10 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 83/7 (115 runs required from 30 balls, RR: 5.53, RRR: 23.00)

End of over 16 (6 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 89/8 (109 runs required from 24 balls, RR: 5.56, RRR: 27.25)

End of over 17 (18 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 107/8 (91 runs required from 18 balls, RR: 6.29, RRR: 30.33)

End of over 18 (7 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 114/8 (84 runs required from 12 balls, RR: 6.33, RRR: 42.00)

End of over 19 (4 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 118/9 (80 runs required from 6 balls, RR: 6.21, RRR: 80.00)

End of over 20 (14 runs) - Bangalore Royal Challengers 132/9 (66 runs required from 0 balls, RR: 6.60)


then they take 18 runs [RRR 30.33] in the 17th over when the game is already gone, then again 14 in the last over

scoring when there is no pressure to win and when you can pick the balls that you can hit is not good enough for me

 

[social]

i do agree that both Uthappa and Ganguly have to pull up their socks

For all you non-Ganguly fans out there, translation is:

"Because I am still clinging to the misguided notion that Ganguly should still be captain of India, I love sticking the boot into Dravid because he had the temerity to replace him at the top and in spite of the fact that he performs better than my hero even when supposedly out of form and playing in a format that supposedly doesnt suit him"

 

[Sanz]

Sanath is in a different league than Uthappa .... if you are expecting Uthappa to be right up there with Sanath, who is also in a smashing form then i guess you are expecting too much from Uthappa

Noone is comparing Sanath and Uthapa here. Uthapa can never be like Sanath. You are the one who was giving excuses for poor SR of Ganguly and Uthapa.

So Why is Abhisek Nayar's SR better than Uthappa's ?