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*Official* Indian Domestic Season 2004/2005

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
TN win their match against Baroda by 30 runs. TN batted first and scored 274, with Badrinath scoring over 50. Baroda lost two wickets in the first over (0/2!), but Yusuf Pathan and Satyajit Parab kept the momentum going their way, till both were snared by spinners. Vidyut opened and scored 20, then bowled one over that went for 14, while Yusuf Pathan scored a rapid 34 (19b, 6x4, 1x6) and took one wicket for 55. TN only scored 90 runs in boundaries, taking more singles and twos- Indian team, please take note. Among the bowlers, TN's seamer Suresh (4/60) and left-arm spinner Ramkumar (2/41) stood out. Each Baroda bowler picked up one wicket, as of the 8 TN wickets to fall, three were due to run-outs.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
The people who run the India page of Cricinfo are a bunch of indifferent goofs. There are three Ranji-OD matches completed in the last two days, but none of them are shown on the site. Moreover, a click on the Punjab v/s UP site takes you straight to the match between Delhi and Railways! What is this dillydallying lot paid for?
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Captains, coaches conclave today
From the Times of India
The captains and coaches of first-class cricket teams around the country will be able to air their opinions about the way the game is run in the country on Monday when the captains and coaches conclave is held.

The last time the conclave was held in June when at least half a dozen skippers were away playing league cricket in the UK. This time around it wil be more representative with several skippers and coaches already in the city for the All-India knockout tournament.

Bengal coach Karsan Ghavri said he would have a few things to say about postings and attitude of umpires. Rohan Gavaskar, who led Bengal for part of the season, will also be there with dad Sunil Gavaskar, chairing the meeting, as the BCCI technical committe head.

Vinod Sharma, coach of Ranji trophy champions Railways said he would be pleading with the BCCI to release funds for developing stadia which was denied to departments like Railways and Services who also didn't get the subsidy.

The issue of appointment of referees had been raised last season and younger ones were nominated. Poor player behaviour had also been brought into focus.

In the past the BCCI has acted on the suggestions coming from such a conclave. The Duleep trophy was reverted back to zonal system and foreign teams were invited as per the suggestion from the chair. If the captains and coaches are frank, then the purpose will be served.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
With Delhi, Railways and Baroda out, it's making things easy for Mumbai, except if UP spring up yet another surprise.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Why can't Cricinfo show the scores? It's past 8:45 pm IST, so they should have had them up by now. Get real, these are the semis of a premier domestic OD series!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
FINAL: TN v/s UP. Uttar Pradesh won their semifinal against Mumbai with a lot of help from mistakes made by some senior Mumbai players. TN stuck to the basics yet again as they scored only 94 runs in boundaries in their score of over 270. The Indian team, coach and captain must watch the match tomorrow- they have a lot to learn from both TN and UP as limited-overs teams. QUESTION: Do they ever learn?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Foreigners we'd like to see in Ranji (one per team)
  • Mumbai- Stephen Harmison
  • Baroda- Kevin Pietersen
  • Gujarat- Chris Gayle
  • Maharashtra- Upul Chandana
  • TN- Matthew Hayden
  • Hyderabad- Abdul Razzaq
  • Andhra Pradesh- Dilhara Fernando
  • Karnataka- Damien Martyn
  • Railways- Shoaib Akhtar
  • Uttar Pradesh- Chris Cairns
  • Bengal- Stuart MacGill
  • Punjab- Marcus Trescothick
  • Delhi- Andrew Flintoff
  • Haryana- Yousuf Youhana
Feedback?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Ranji-OD final- Tamil Nadu have defeated Uttar Pradesh by just one run! EDIT: Maybe I misread the final score, or CricInfo misprinted it. It was a tie.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Hoggy31 said:
Poor Arjun, someone who knows a bit about Indian Domestic Cricket reply!
If you thought that was bad, I had to post as many as SIX domestic lineups, when those from England and Australia just posted their own! Still, there are a few fans who do look at this thread, but some famous India supporters (no names mentioned) who talk a lot about Indian cricket don't even pass this way! Compare this with another forum (no name mentioned, but this is an easy guess) where there is a lot of talk about Indian domestic cricket.

Still, CricInfo actually did a live telecast of the ROD final, which was a start. Ironic- A start....for a final.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
The more crucial phase of the Ranji-OD series is now over. The final throws up an interesting result, but one look at how both teams played and you know how a limited-overs innings should be built. Lots of singles, twos and threes were run as both teams scored exactly 142 runs out of 248 between the wickets. They could do without the no-balls and wides, though- 20 a side is too much. Not bad for a young side like UP- many of their players are from the U-19's or slightly over 20- hopefully they'll upset a few big names in the next Ranji season. Suresh Raina continues to impress as a batsman, though the Indian team will need a more regular bowler- definitely an India prospect.
 

Deja moo

International Captain
viktor said:
It was a tie I think.
yeah. TN fought back after making just 248 and reduced UP to 184-8, who in turn fought back but failed to take the single off the last ball.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Deja moo said:
yeah. TN fought back after making just 248 and reduced UP to 184-8, who in turn fought back but failed to take the single off the last ball.
Amir Khan was run-out on the last ball.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
With the Indian team getting a break of three months and the Indian domestic season now over, the selectors will have to look into the performances of different players from all angles, when they pick the A-team that will go on tour shortly. When they pick the team, they have to think about the weaknesses of the senior team (especially in ODI's) and use the forthcoming tour as a way to provide a few solutions, which are needed. For a start, every player in the side has to be effective on the field.

There may not be any problem with opening the innings, as Sehwag and Gambhir are good enough at this stage, but having a few reserves will definitely help, and keep the frontliners on their toes. They can choose the consistent Dheeraj Jadhav and Wasim Jaffer, by far the most reliable options at hand. Jadhav may have only got runs against weak Zimbabwean/Kenyan opposition, but he's got them in bulk. Jaffer has had some experience in England, with a double century in that tour. Among the youngsters, Robin Uthappa of Karnataka an Shikhar Dhawan of Delhi may be the first choices, but an experienced player as a reserve would be preferred.

The middle order will have a few automatic selections, such as Suresh Raina and Venugopal Rao, two promising youngsters who have been in good form. They can opt for the experience of Amol Mazumdar and Mithun Manhas, to steady the innings and play the anchor role. A few may suggest the inclusion of Mongia, Badani and Sriram, but both have been given quite a few chances and they're not needed at this stage. All the middle-order batsmen have to run lots of singles.

The biggest weakness in the national side is the lack of a genuine all-rounder. The selectors have to identify prospects for that position and pick as many as three of them. However, it does not stop there- the team management must make sure these all-rounders are utilised fully in every match- bat within the top seven positions and bowl as many overs as the strike bowlers- some of them are.

The ideal choices would be Irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan (his brother) and Joginder Sharma of Haryana. Irfan may have been the strike bowler for the national team, but he is not seasoned as a strike bowler, nor has he done enough as a batsman, so a full tour as a practising all-rounder will help him. His brother, Yusuf, has taken his batting more seriously and is also a hard hitter of the ball, though he relies on hand-eye co-ordination rather than technique, while his leg-spin bowling has not suffered- his all-round efforts made Baroda a surprise package this season. Joginder Sharma is an outswing bowler like Balaji, but he must cut out the short stuff and add more variations in his bowling.

The last thing the Indian senior team or A-team needs now is another bits-and-pieces wicketkeeper. They have to pick a wicketkeeper exclusively for his wicketkeeping, so that the bowlers can get enough opportunities to score runs. Moreover, having a top keeper behind the stumps (as also nne top fielders) helps the bowlers, as he can take all those extra catches, stumpings and runouts that a batsman with the gloves can't take. The contender shuld be Ajay Ratra, a very fast wicketkeeper, with the best reflexes among all wicketkeepers in India.

Another vacancy in the national side, fast turning into a weakness, is that of a tearaway pace bowler. All world class attacks have at least one tearaway pacer. That can be seen in the bowling attacks of England (Harmison and Jones), Pakistan (Akhtar and Sami), New Zealand (Bond and Butler), Sri Lanka (Dilhara and Malinga), West Indies (Lawson and a few more), South Africa (Nel, Ntini) and even Zimbabwe. Why not India? That's a question echoed by J&K's Abid Nabi and Punjab's Vikram Singh. Both try to bowl as fast as they can and have been taking wickets at a good strike rate and average in FC matches. Neither have made the starting lineups for Duleep matches due to the congested pace scene there in the north. A few mention Munaf Patel, but his fielding and fitness has not been up to the mark- he needs to save more runs on the field and last a full season without getting injured. Moreover, he should stop doing the Shoaib Act of going off the field for minor niggles.

At the same time, the other option should be a swing/seam bowler, to utilise the conditions. Punjab's Gagandeep Singh has been running riot in the recent domestic season, whil Uttar Pradesh's RP Singh as been impressive too. Irfan Pathan's return as lead bowler can only help matters. The experienced Amit Bhandari may also be tried, but his experience is more vital in the senior side at present.

The selectors cannot forget the national team's main strength- spin bowling. However, they must support attacking bowling by the spinners, which has been missing in the recent India/Pakistan series. The frontliners have been bowling far too wide outside leg and have not made the batsmen play enough deliveries, thus allowing them to get set without being under any pressure. The best choices at this stage are Tamil Nadu's Ramkumar, Haryana's Amit Mishra and Baroda's Rajesh Pawar and Yusuf Pathan.

This should be the final squad for the forthcoming tour-
  • AR Uthappa
  • S Dhawan
  • Dheeraj Jadhav
  • Mithun Manhas
  • Suresh Raina
  • Venugopal Rao
  • Amol Mazumdar
  • Ratra
  • Irfan Pathan
  • Yusuf Pathan
  • Joginder Sharma
  • Abid Nabi/VR Singh
  • R Ramkumar
  • Amit Mishra
  • RP Singh
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
I think you r reading too much into Y. Pathan's performances. He is pretty much a bits and pieces cricketer. Also from what I saw of Joginder, he doesn't seem to be that great J P Yadav might be a better option, he's also had a great domestic season. Also I don't think taking a wk who isn't a good enough batsmen so that the bowlers can score runs seems a pretty stupid strategy. Ideally you would want your wk to contribute. I'd go with Karthik or Dhoni; it would also give them more exposure.
Apart from that, I agree it is a good idea to give a chance to guys like VRV singh and Nabi though Gagandeep should also be in the frame...
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I think you r reading too much into Y. Pathan's performances. He is pretty much a bits and pieces cricketer.
He's not as bad as you may make him out to be- he's a frontline spinner for Baroda, along with Rajesh Pawar. His contribution to the team's performances doesn't end there- he's also a hard-hitting middle-order batsman. In fact, because of his consistent performances with the bat (3 over 50, average over 30) and useful support to his strike partner (one 5-wicket haul, average of 28), the Baroda side have become a surprise package this season. He's a tall spinner (taller than his brother) and gets a lot of bounce out of the pitch. If his fielding is also as good as his brother's, he may make a good selection in the near future, but not right now- I never pushed for his selection into the national side rightaway- first spend some time in the reserve team.
Also from what I saw of Joginder, he doesn't seem to be that great
As for Joginder, he too is not fully seasoned, so he too will need some A-team experience before returning to the side. Don't follow what you have seen of him in Bangladesh- he's not played much with the white ball, he got an old ball (not something he can use so well) in two matches, terribly defensive fields and only three overs in his third, while Sachin and Sehwag bowled a lot more than they were needed to. He got taken apart in the Challengers, but again, it's his problems with an old, white ball, and defensive fields.
J P Yadav might be a better option, he's also had a great domestic season.
J P shouln't be in the A-team anymore- that is a breeding zone for future India players. He's already had enough experience there and on present form, he should make the senior side sooner than later.
Also I don't think taking a wk who isn't a good enough batsmen so that the bowlers can score runs seems a pretty stupid strategy. Ideally you would want your wk to contribute. I'd go with Karthik or Dhoni; it would also give them more exposure.
Why does a wicketkeeper have to score runs all the time? None of the wicketkeepers in India are good enough for that role in a team. In fact, if you look at all the current international wicketkeepers, none of them really are good enough for a top six and the gloves, except Gilchrist and Boucher, while other better batsmen among the keepers are quite bad with the gloves- Jones is slow, Sangakkara's made several howlers and McCullum often drops crucial catches and isn't the fastest either. In some teams, the wicketkeeper should score runs, while in some others, the bowlers do. If you look at the South African teams of the 90's they had their bowlers scoring more runs (Callaghan, McMillan, Kallis, Klusener, Pollock) than their keeper, Richardson.

The Indian team does not need another wicketkeeper-batsman. They have suffered enough with Deep Dasgupta, Parthiv Patel and Rahul Dravid. Their bowlers have had to bear the brunt of some shoddy keeping once too often. The team already has Dhoni, and that's enough. As for Karthik, he's no great shakes with the gloves and terrible with the bat- almost as bad as Ajay Ratra! You have Joginder Sharma, a swing bowler who can score runs, you have Irfan Pathan (left-arm swing bowler) and Yusuf Pathan (leggie), who can score runs, so why do you need a wicketkeeper who can bat? It is these three who need the exposure, more than those so-called wicketkeeper-batsmen. Moreover, the team needs a bowling all-rounder more than another bits-and-pieces keeper- which is far worse than having a bits-and-pieces all-rounder.

Look at the Australian side, or even the Kiwis- bowlers like Symonds, Watson, Harvey, Styris and Oram may be branded as bits-and-pieces players (particularly in bowling) but the team doesn't feel the pinch so much- because the fielders help them a lot. If you look at the senior team, these are what they need-
  • Eleven good fielders in the starting lineup, and four good ones on the bench
  • A bowling all-rounder, and one more in reserve
  • A tearaway pace bowler
  • Genuine openers who score quickly, but still play a long innings
And of course, new strategies.
Apart from that, I agree it is a good idea to give a chance to guys like VRV singh and Nabi though Gagandeep should also be in the frame...
Gagandeep may even make the senior side on present form, but he's just another seam and swing bowler. The current Indian side is full of seam/swing bowlers, and given teir performances, seam and swing are not enough- there has to be some pace as well. He's a very good fielder in the inner ring (Zaheer, take note), which adds weight to his selection.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Has anyone been following the UP Ranji side closely? What's your opinion of Praveen Kumar? He seems to be a first-change medium-pacer who opens the batting in limited-overs matches. Neither Cricinfo, nor cricketarchive have any information about the player- seems to be another U-19 player, like many others in that side. The entire UP side are good fielders (maybe), given how seriously they take that aspect of the game, as well as the conditions for practice, which help good fielding.
 

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