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*Official* Indian Domestic Season 2004/2005

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Arjun said:
He's not as bad as you may make him out to be- he's a frontline spinner for Baroda, along with Rajesh Pawar. His contribution to the team's performances doesn't end there- he's also a hard-hitting middle-order batsman. In fact, because of his consistent performances with the bat (3 over 50, average over 30) and useful support to his strike partner (one 5-wicket haul, average of 28), the Baroda side have become a surprise package this season. He's a tall spinner (taller than his brother) and gets a lot of bounce out of the pitch. If his fielding is also as good as his brother's, he may make a good selection in the near future, but not right now- I never pushed for his selection into the national side rightaway- first spend some time in the reserve team.
As for Joginder, he too is not fully seasoned, so he too will need some A-team experience before returning to the side. Don't follow what you have seen of him in Bangladesh- he's not played much with the white ball, he got an old ball (not something he can use so well) in two matches, terribly defensive fields and only three overs in his third, while Sachin and Sehwag bowled a lot more than they were needed to. He got taken apart in the Challengers, but again, it's his problems with an old, white ball, and defensive fields.J P shouln't be in the A-team anymore- that is a breeding zone for future India players. He's already had enough experience there and on present form, he should make the senior side sooner than later.Why does a wicketkeeper have to score runs all the time? None of the wicketkeepers in India are good enough for that role in a team. In fact, if you look at all the current international wicketkeepers, none of them really are good enough for a top six and the gloves, except Gilchrist and Boucher, while other better batsmen among the keepers are quite bad with the gloves- Jones is slow, Sangakkara's made several howlers and McCullum often drops crucial catches and isn't the fastest either. In some teams, the wicketkeeper should score runs, while in some others, the bowlers do. If you look at the South African teams of the 90's they had their bowlers scoring more runs (Callaghan, McMillan, Kallis, Klusener, Pollock) than their keeper, Richardson.

The Indian team does not need another wicketkeeper-batsman. They have suffered enough with Deep Dasgupta, Parthiv Patel and Rahul Dravid. Their bowlers have had to bear the brunt of some shoddy keeping once too often. The team already has Dhoni, and that's enough. As for Karthik, he's no great shakes with the gloves and terrible with the bat- almost as bad as Ajay Ratra! You have Joginder Sharma, a swing bowler who can score runs, you have Irfan Pathan (left-arm swing bowler) and Yusuf Pathan (leggie), who can score runs, so why do you need a wicketkeeper who can bat? It is these three who need the exposure, more than those so-called wicketkeeper-batsmen. Moreover, the team needs a bowling all-rounder more than another bits-and-pieces keeper- which is far worse than having a bits-and-pieces all-rounder.

Look at the Australian side, or even the Kiwis- bowlers like Symonds, Watson, Harvey, Styris and Oram may be branded as bits-and-pieces players (particularly in bowling) but the team doesn't feel the pinch so much- because the fielders help them a lot. If you look at the senior team, these are what they need-
  • Eleven good fielders in the starting lineup, and four good ones on the bench
  • A bowling all-rounder, and one more in reserve
  • A tearaway pace bowler
  • Genuine openers who score quickly, but still play a long innings
And of course, new strategies.Gagandeep may even make the senior side on present form, but he's just another seam and swing bowler. The current Indian side is full of seam/swing bowlers, and given teir performances, seam and swing are not enough- there has to be some pace as well. He's a very good fielder in the inner ring (Zaheer, take note), which adds weight to his selection.
I think you are SERIOUSLY under estimating Dinesh Kaarthick's batting. He looks technically compact as a batter and quite a number of his dismissals have seemed to have been because he was unsure of whether to attack or defend at that particular instant. That will go off with time, as he already showed during the second and third tests. He defended well on the last day at Bangalore and got a great yorker from Sami. And his glovework is more than decent.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
honestbharani said:
I think you are SERIOUSLY under estimating Dinesh Kaarthick's batting. He looks technically compact as a batter and quite a number of his dismissals have seemed to have been because he was unsure of whether to attack or defend at that particular instant. That will go off with time, as he already showed during the second and third tests. He defended well on the last day at Bangalore and got a great yorker from Sami. And his glovework is more than decent.
Karthik's wicketkeeping is good (better than Parthiv, far better than Dravid) but not the best in India- that has to be Vinayak Samant- but still, it's good enough to get him into a team on glovework alone, but for the odd glitch. Debatable subject, this.

As for his batting, he's shown absolutely no technique or power in any of the Tests he has played. If you have seen him in action, both feet are rooted to the pitch and he keeps on scooping outside off-stump. He doesn't have the hitting power that Dhoni, Irfan Pathan and even Balaji have, which the team badly lacks. He doesn't even run regulation singles. His defence may not be too bad, but it's of no use- there are enough defensive batsmen in the Indian team. They need an attacking batsman with a sound second skill. Moreover, if you intend to have Adam Gilchrist clones (the reason why selectors are on this wild goose chase for wicketkeeper batsmen), they have to attack and not defend when they bat- big hits or extra runs between wickets.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
This development in the North is not a good thing. Former Haryana opener Maninder Bisla shifted to HP (maybe he couldn't get a place in the Haryana squad) and now plays as a wicketkeeper in the middle order of that side. He is an opener and nothing else. Why does he have to do this? Openers don't become top-notch wicketkeeper-batsmen overnight. It's an unhealthy trend and it has to be stopped before wicketkeeper-batsmen start missing several chances, weakening the bowling attacks. The selectors should be more watchful, but the selection of bowling all-rounders is the best method of prevention- you won't need another wicketkeeper-batsman then. Bisla's a fine batsman, but wicketkeeping is no easy task. A similar develpment has happened in Delhi, where Vijay Dahiya has been relaced by some extra for the middle-order picked to keep wickets.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Arjun said:
Karthik's wicketkeeping is good (better than Parthiv, far better than Dravid) but not the best in India- that has to be Vinayak Samant- but still, it's good enough to get him into a team on glovework alone, but for the odd glitch. Debatable subject, this.

As for his batting, he's shown absolutely no technique or power in any of the Tests he has played. If you have seen him in action, both feet are rooted to the pitch and he keeps on scooping outside off-stump. He doesn't have the hitting power that Dhoni, Irfan Pathan and even Balaji have, which the team badly lacks. He doesn't even run regulation singles. His defence may not be too bad, but it's of no use- there are enough defensive batsmen in the Indian team. They need an attacking batsman with a sound second skill. Moreover, if you intend to have Adam Gilchrist clones (the reason why selectors are on this wild goose chase for wicketkeeper batsmen), they have to attack and not defend when they bat- big hits or extra runs between wickets.
How much power do you need if you can find gaps?
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Medium-pacers, fairytales and scheduling botch-ups- Review of the 2004-05 Indian domestic season
Interesting article. Worth a read. Feedback coming soon.
Most promising youngster
Suresh Raina, 18, thumped the ball with audacity and produced some fantastic knocks in the Deodhar Trophy and the Ranji one-day tournament. In the four-day version, a century eluded him but Uttar Pradesh regularly rode on his half-centuries. Experienced bowlers, many of whom who were taken apart, compared him to a young Yuvraj Singh. Another consistent season and Raina could be joining Yuvraj in the Indian side.


I would like to see Rana in the Indian side as soon as possible man.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I would like to see Rana in the Indian side as soon as possible man.
In place of whom? Not Sehwag since he opens the batting. Not Sachin and Dravid; they're the only safe bets in the side. Not Kaif, he fits in very well in ODI's. Maybe Yuvraj, but Raina may not have the explosive hitting power and strokeplay that makes Yuvraj so dangerous. He may just replace the man on the bench, and he's definitely a far better choice than Mongia and even Ganguly. He's a rotation contender, but won't make a permanent place in the side.
How much power do you need if you can find gaps?
Enough to hit the ball into the stands.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
He may just replace the man on the bench, and he's definitely a far better choice than Mongia and even Ganguly. He's a rotation contender, but won't make a permanent place in the side.Enough to hit the ball into the stands.
We know how good the crrent Indian ODI players are. We dont know how good Raina or a new comer would be internationally.

I would like to see RAina be given a chance in the next series preferably seeing the current Indian ODI side has been poor for around a year after they ebat Pakistan in Pakistan in the ODI series.

I would like atleat 3-4 youngesters who have done very well last 2 years in domestic ODIs given a run for two international one day tournaments.

The Indian one day team has been very much below par and it cant get worse with newer players. It should help us find atleast 1-2 players. A few different bowlers like Gagandeep Singh too. I am not convinced Agarkar is an option. Nehra is too inconsistet for the ODIs even though he has talent. I am sure Pathan will be okay and so will Kumble/Harbhajan. But we can try another spinner in the next tournament too, apart from Karthik.

Its 2 years before the next world cup. If changes are to be made, they should be tried right now. Else it will be too late for over hauls too make too much of an impression.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Here's the feedback I promised-
  • Fairytale of the seasonGood one. Railways were a very unfancied team at the start, because of lack of top quality in batting or bowling, but played well as a team, and the sum total of all contributions was significant, as it took them to a tournament victory. Almost....given the final was a draw
  • Star of the season- Who else? JP Yadav, who played a central role as a batsman and bowler. Dropped from the Indian ODI side when a batsman who could bowl a bit, he vowed to reinvent himself as a player- a bowler who could bat- and he's done it well. He's not only taken the bulk of Railways wickets at a good average, he's also been scoring runs consistently, mixing caution with his trademak aggression. The Railwaymen just had to support him and they did.
  • Most improved team- Punjab were known to be very talented, but very inconsistent, till the arrival of Pakistani coach Intikhab Alam. He channelised their flair and power into a force gunning for a tournament victory. Most notable in their season was the discovery of tearaway pacer Vikram Singh.
  • Trend of the season- The conditions this season helped the medium-pacers a lot, but they overdid it in the Duleep Trophy, where the pitches heavily favoured the seamers- they could do well to avoid producing clones of Daryl Tuffey and Tama Canning- slow medium-pacers with no pace, who only look good on such pitches. The tearaways will relish these conditions.
  • Rescue acts- The Hyderabad side depended far too much on Laxman, as they collapsed without him, particularly in the S/F against Railways. Bengal's survival should have been a formality, but they made heavy weather of that match.
  • Match of the season- Undoubtedly that one between West and South, but the previous match between West and North was another cracker.
  • Sudden death- That was absolutely farcical. Services had not won a single match, but by a toss of a coin, they made the final and the Elite league ahead of the impressive HP, who were unbeaten with five wins.
  • Shocker- You got it right. They're totally confused about locations. Making teams run around.
  • Most useless tournament- The Ranji-OD series was meaningles in the starting phases, where they just tried to rush in several matches in the same city, to save time at the expense of quality of cricket- matches were played in club grounds and teams were composed primarily of extras. The timing of the final phases was silly, given the heat in Mumbai, but the matches were played in first-class grounds (CCI and 'Hede) and they were more competitve. TN and UP were outstanding, and it was only fitting the match ended in a tie, but where was the trophy?
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
viktor said:
I think you r reading too much into Y. Pathan's performances. He is pretty much a bits and pieces cricketer. Also from what I saw of Joginder, he doesn't seem to be that great J P Yadav might be a better option, he's also had a great domestic season. Also I don't think taking a wk who isn't a good enough batsmen so that the bowlers can score runs seems a pretty stupid strategy. Ideally you would want your wk to contribute. I'd go with Karthik or Dhoni; it would also give them more exposure.
Apart from that, I agree it is a good idea to give a chance to guys like VRV singh and Nabi though Gagandeep should also be in the frame...
Y Pathan, unless he has a miraculous transformation of his cricketing skills, will never be even talked of as a serious contender for an India slot, forget playing for India.

He is less than mediocre
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
We know how good the crrent Indian ODI players are. We dont know how good Raina or a new comer would be internationally....
Frankly, the last thing the team needs is another batsmen. How many tournaments have the Indians won even when the batsmen were in-form?

They should look at grey areas within the side, such as all-rounders, tearaway pacers and a fully functional fielding unit and pick contenders for these. They can lose nothing if they take the chances that come.

Agarkar should NOT be an option- they can try out the younger Joginder Sharma from Haryana and it won't make much of a difference- at least he's a better batsman and uses his outswing well. Nehra has just finished one good series, has been good on the field (usually he is against Pakistan) but should cut down the leg-side rubbish. Pathan must put his batting to better use and stick to a line and length- he's not seasoned enough for the Indian side. Anybody who can attack and make the batsman play should be picked- anybody except Karthik that is.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun you should get an avatar man.

Suggestions

- Of Arjun the great character from The Mahabharata
- The Mumbai Ranji team icon. A wonderful icon that.
- Your favourite domestic player considering you follow it with such close attention

Cheers.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
SJS said:
Y Pathan, unless he has a miraculous transformation of his cricketing skills, will never be even talked of as a serious contender for an India slot, forget playing for India.

He is less than mediocre
What a joke. It's not even funny. EDIT: Besides, this is the India-A squad and he's a contender there.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Pratyush said:
Arjun you should get an avatar man.

Suggestions

- Of Arjun the great character from The Mahabharata
- The Mumbai Ranji team icon. A wonderful icon that.
- Your favourite domestic player considering you follow it with such close attention

Cheers.
Maybe Wolverine, without the mask. Or perhaps a hawk, or a panther, or a Ninja ZX-6R logo, when I find one. I may even sketch a few domestic players and make a signature pic.

A pity there are not too many pictures of Indian domestic players doing the rounds. Not too many sites either.

But not Arjun Singh the politician!
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
Frankly, the last thing the team needs is another batsmen. How many tournaments have the Indians won even when the batsmen were in-form?
Why should we not give a run of atleast two more tournaments to the likes of S.Sriram, some of the other players who have performed well in domestic ODIs over the last 2 years when the current Indian batting has performed pathetically in the last one year.

Check out the number of collapses the batting line up has had in the last one year. You would be shocked. Certainly it wouldnt hurt to try a few people for a couple of tournaments.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
If you remember, there were some series where the Indians batted well, yet lost matches. Moreover, a lto of those battign collapses have happened wehn the opposition has been scoring mountains of runs, putting the batsmen under pressure.

The team needs to take more wickets. They also need balance. Not to mention better fielding/running between wickets.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
What a joke. It's not even funny. EDIT: Besides, this is the India-A squad and he's a contender there.
Since when has an India A slot become a place in the INDIAN side !!

And you are right it wasnt supposed to be funny. Its tragic actually that people should read newspapers and then claim that any Tom **** and Haridas is international material.

Sad :sleep:
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Arjun said:
If you remember, there were some series where the Indians batted well, yet lost matches. Moreover, a lto of those battign collapses have happened wehn the opposition has been scoring mountains of runs, putting the batsmen under pressure.

The team needs to take more wickets. They also need balance. Not to mention better fielding/running between wickets.
The fact is you need to bat and bowl well BOTH to win a match.

Indian bowling is poor. No question regarding it. If you keep giving the opposition 280-285 plus you cant expect to win by batting alone.

But that does not compensate for the poor batting displayed by India, the collapses India has seen since the series in Pakistan. The inconsistency of the batsmen is also a part of the problem.
 

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