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**Official** India v Pakistan

Vroomfondel

U19 12th Man
marc71178 said:
Can someone tell me where it says the batsman is the judge of the light?
It doesn't say, and in that sense, nothing illegal happened. But that's really not the point.

It was obviously dark enough for the umpires to take the players off the field 10 minutes after tendulkar departed. Why didn't Bucknor even consider the request when it was made -- even as the pakistanis brought on their fastest bowlers bowling bouncers?

So, with stadium lights on, with the batsman asking twice or thrice for light, with quicks on, it's bright enough for the ump to not even *consider* the possibility that the light was inappropriate for play -- it would be one thing for the umpire to take his light meter ou, make a measurement and on the basis of that, decide that tendulkar was full of **** and ask him to continue playing, but that didn't happen.

...and within 10 minutes of this, the umpires decide to take the players off the field for bad light? What sense does that make?
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Why shouldn't the batsman's input be taken? I think a batsman should be able to request for a light reading, since they are obviously the best judges of whether the light is good enough to bat in.
 

infiniti

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sehwag309 said:
Bucknor snips a Sachin special
“The very fact that I am here shows that I am not running away,” Bucknor added. “I have nothing to hide. The light was fading too, and like I said, everyone can make a mistake. At the same time, there is no point in merely dwelling on it; tomorrow is another day, and I will concentrate on what is, not what is over.”
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WOW!!!!, that was quite an honest admission, Mr. Bucknor. "The light was fading too" - so what was Tendulkar appealing about for 15 minutes before you finally did him in.

And watch his arrogance, it's not that everyone wants him to go away just becoz they do not like the sight of him. I feel, he has made it to be an ego issue, like "I am still the champ, no matter what you say". You are not the one who's fighting in the ring, you are there to see that the game is conducted properly.
He must have been a disturbed person in his personal life.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
So, don't you think that an umpire being prejudiced against one team is cheating? I sure do.
In my book prejudice means prejudice, I dont care If it means 'cheating', 'fairness' or some other crap in your book.You can continue to believe whatever you want to.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
In my book prejudice means prejudice, I dont care If it means 'cheating', 'fairness' or some other crap in your book.You can continue to believe whatever you want to.
Err, yes. The question I'm asking is: don't you think it would be cheating if an umpire was prejudiced against one team and therefore slanted his decisions against that team? Given that an umpire is supposed to be objective, surely being biased against one team would be cheating...
 

Vroomfondel

U19 12th Man
Bucknor leaves Sachin speechless - Calcutta misses 35th ton because of 100-Test umpire’s ‘mistake’

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050319/asp/frontpage/story_4512477.asp

Steve Bucknor took to his 100th Test, at the Eden, having apologised twice for poor decisions.

It will be appropriate if cricket’s most experienced umpire tenders one more apology — this time, to Sachin Tendulkar, given out caught behind off Abdul Razzaq despite the bat making no contact with the leather.

His dismissal (in miserable light) for 52 infuriated Sachin so much that he needed “around 45 minutes” to cool off in the dressing room. He left for the team hotel a good hour after Day III of the second Test ended 11 minutes prematurely.

“He has received some awful decisions — a few from Bucknor in the past as well — but never before had I seen him so upset,” somebody who has shared the Team India dressing room for over four years told The Telegraph.


Significantly, talking to the media at his (and the team’s) hotel, Bucknor more or less accepted having erred.

He said: “I haven’t seen the TV replay, but mistakes are going to happen… You feel bad whenever you make a bad decision. It could be yesterday, last year or even today… But life must go on….”

Till late in the evening, though, Bucknor hadn’t called Sachin to say ‘sorry’. That’s not the norm for umpires, yes, but he has already apologised on two occasions.

Sachin declined any comment, saying: “I’m not in the mood to speak….”

Actually, it’s not a state secret that the Indians aren’t comfortable whenever Bucknor gets appointed. “He will uphold questionable appeals, but is reluctant to raise his finger when we’re the fielding side” is how a well-placed source put it.

What’s intriguing is that Bucknor and Daryl Hair didn’t offer the light to Sachin and Rahul Dravid. It encouraged Pakistan to up the ante through Mohammed Sami and Razzaq.

It wouldn’t surprise if, some day, Bucknor confesses he himself couldn’t spot the late swinging ball.

Ahead by 14 in the first innings, India finished on 133 for three. The Test is wide open, but the advantage is going to be India’s if the first session tomorrow sees no setback.

“We need early wickets,” remarked Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer.

Sourav Ganguly, the Team India captain, refused to ‘predict’: “If it doesn’t rain, we’ve got two full days… I’d rather not say anything now….”

Bucknor was also one of the umpires (Dave Orchard being the other) in the last Indo-Pak Test here, back in February 1999, when Sachin’s contentious run-out almost sparked a riot on the packed terraces.

Thankfully, only about 30,000 were present when Sachin was given out today. Moreover, quite sensibly, the on-trial video screen didn’t show the replay.

“There could have been big trouble,” explained a spokesman for the company which has installed the screen.

Even with that replay blackout, word did get around that Sachin had been wronged. The crowd felt doubly deprived as he was heading for the record-authoring 35th Test hundred.

In the first innings, too, Sachin got 52.

Applauded during a felicitation by the BCCI on the first day, Bucknor was the target of barracking by hundreds who didn’t clear the Club House-flanking stands till he headed for the umpires’ room.

Incidentally, a senior member

of the Pakistan squad agreed that Sachin had become a Bucknor victim, but added: “Let’s not forget Yousuf Youhana wasn’t out in the morning. So…”

Youhana, adjudged leg-before to Lakshmipathy Balaji by Hair, declined to speak about his dismissal. Yet, he felt the umpires’ work is “mushkil.”

That’s exactly why the most experienced get appointed for India versus Pakistan face-offs.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Vroomfondel said:
Bucknor leaves Sachin speechless - Calcutta misses 35th ton because of 100-Test umpire’s ‘mistake’
Yeah, he was guaranteed a century all right, just like India was guaranteed a victory if he wasn't given out.
 

a10khan

School Boy/Girl Captain
guyz relax...

just coz he gave one bad decision doesnt mean any thing. he's a great umpire and has had a great game. sachin shd relax as well. he got a big reprieve in mohali when he was at 10. ended up makin 94. thats how it goes. dont forget, inzy was given out lbw twice on two doubtful decisions, especially the 2nd.
 

a10khan

School Boy/Girl Captain
he's been just fine. the indian media is massive and in the past has made a big deal out of every mistake he's made. he's styll very gd, next to perhaps only simon taufel. whatever i hv seen of him last couple of yrs, has all been good. he's sty;; more consistent then many others.
 

C_C

International Captain
Bucknor USED to be good...he has been one of the most horrible over the past few years.
 

mofo123

U19 12th Man
oh friggin stop complaining GOD ur all really getting on my nerves SO WOT if he was given out he wasnt given out in mohali REMEMBER! GAAWWWDDD...let it go its a game...
 

shoot_me

School Boy/Girl Captain
Bucknor's already acheived his goal so hopefully he'll retire and go away now because Tendulkar's wicket was a huge one and now only two genuine batsmen are still to come, Laxman and Ganguly--neither of them in great form of late. India should look to 225-250 but 200 wouldn't be anything to cry over since our friend Sehwag here pointed out that the highest successful chase at Eden Gardens was 120.
 

Legglancer

State Regular
IMO I would reserve Judgement on weather Bucknor is Biased or not ..... That I am afraid only Bucknor will know for sure. But I can understand how many of the Indian fans feel hard-done-by him. Wrong decisions are given everyday and I am sure quite a few batsman have been unfairly given out ..... some times by the same Umpire on multiple occations. Its only natural that one feels persecuted and even entertain the thought of conspiracy's being plotted against the team/person. IMO the subcontinental teams have recieved the brunt of this treatment (Eg:- Mike Denis affair.)

Bucknor IMO is no longer up to World standard and my patience with him is running short !
 

cricket player

International Debutant
Legglancer said:
IMO I would reserve Judgement on weather Bucknor is Biased or not ..... That I am afraid only Bucknor will know for sure. But I can understand how many of the Indian fans feel hard-done-by him. Wrong decisions are given everyday and I am sure quite a few batsman have been unfairly given out ..... some times by the same Umpire on multiple occations. Its only natural that one feels persecuted and even entertain the thought of conspiracy's being plotted against the team/person. IMO the subcontinental teams have recieved the brunt of this treatment (Eg:- Mike Denis affair.)

Bucknor IMO is no longer up to World standard and my patience with him is running short !
What happen when the other umpire didnt give sachin out,It was a clean out edgeing the bat and to the silly points hand,

no body said at that"oh man the umpires suck"now when sachin is givin out"bucknor sucks" why are you guys like that,just keep your mouth shut and watch the match,aight.
 

Sehwag309

Banned
It wasnt the same game, and Pak fans didnt say much coz the result was a DRAW, and its the moment, time and the way he was given is ridicolous. Well, again, lets gone with the game we have to imagibe that sachin actually nicked it
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
aussie

u people are behaving like if tendulkar's dismissal is the end of the world in every series thier a some decision that goes againts a team, but they have to get on with it. People for heavens sake their is probably two exciting days of cricket left in this match lets just enjoy it rather than go on and on about dismissal ok lads.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Sanz said:
Dude, it's the batsmen who is going to face the bouncers in the dark, not the umpires. If the batsmen appeals for light, umpire should atleast take the damn light-o-meter out and check it.
And where is that in the rules?
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Vroomfondel said:
Why didn't Bucknor even consider the request when it was made --
There is no provision for the light to be appealed though, only offered.

Considering the actual rules then there are no grounds to attack the umpires for it.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Haha to say that he missed out on his 100 because of that decision is laughable. :D

All umpires make mistakes, this was just one of them. It all evens out in the end really. Didn`t Kaneria have him caught behind recently and it wasnt given?

Looking forward to todays play, hopefully Afridi will bowl more than three overs today!
 

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