**Official** India v Pakistan

[mofo123]

No it isn't good, it should be VERY simple to understand if a person has some understanding of the game. Razzak would be playing at number 7 slot, i.e at the expense of a specialist BOWLER, what is Pakistan going to achieve by having a player who can bat but isn't potent with the bowl ?If packing a side with allrounders is all one need then thrown out the likes of Akhtar,Kaneria and Sami and bring in Azhar Mahmood, Yasir Arafat and Qaiser Abbas!! You didn't provide me the stats of Razzak's bowling?? and don't bother to come up with it coz Razzak's bowling has declined considerably( even by his own admission) and he's no longer the bowler he used to be.



That he averaged while openeing the innings and almost every sane person would say that its an ordinary! Again what are yopu going to achive to have Afridi comming in at number eight? Razzak at seven, Afridi at eight, Akmal at nine DO YOU WANT PAK TO GO IN MATCH WITH JUST 2 SPECIALIST BOWLER???



Rana has limited potential, he's in the team coz Akhtar,Shabbir and others are injured.Yes he does give 100 percent and that is admirable, but that is not the only factor on wich a player's potential is judge.


Malik is talented, so is Razzak and Asim .But the best person should be the one who should play as the specialist batsman. Asim is the more compact batsman and has the better technique, as far as test matches are concerned Asim is certainly a far better candidate.



Ever heard of Kaif, Yuvraj,Laxman, Mongia... the list goes on. Atleast as far as batsman are concerned, India have abundant talent!!



Saqlain was a spin king, he's no longer the bowler he used to be.The decline in his bowling is very visible.I would be surprised if he ever get to play more than 3 test matches again!



This is something common in India and Pak, they prefer to have young players in their team. Asim might not be young, but he still have 5-6 years of cricket left in him.You can't just exclude someone just coz he's in late 20's? And if you wanna do that then throw out Rana Naveed, Yasir Hameed and Shabbir Ahmad too !

dear friend with an IQ of around id say, knee high. u have abt as much understanding for the game of cricket as i have abt bee keeping, which happens to b very little. so u like to analyse do u? gimmie a sec to analyse u...

something u sed is very simple to understand that razzaq would b taking the place of a specialist bowler? at number 7? r u thinking straight? number 7 is the all rounders spot kid. and as for afridi at number 8 wots wrong with it, u dont want to b bowling at a tail who can hit u miles to hong kong? and he adds his spin to the side which has troubled the aussies and english so wots wrong with it?
1-0 to me

about going in to a match with 2 specialist bowlers and 3 ppl who can bowl and hold a bat wots wrong with that? south africa only have 2 specialist bowler. pollock, hall and kallis r all rounders then u r left with nitini and boje even boje can hold that bat...so in that case shut up u dont have a clue mate.. 2-0 to me

and abt rana who on earth do u think u r to judge a professional player u r saying the job he does for a living he desnt to well... if some1 came to ur house and sed u do a p*ss poor job of woteva u do im sure ud get pretty damn peeved. and effort is 9/10ths of the game... again kindly shut up...3-0 to me

now then abt talent...why have u got a fetish abt specialist bowlers and batsmen ppl can do the both and b successful...kallis!!! so dont say a specialist batsmen is best, wot abt the positives malik adds to the fielding? and he is one hell of a bat. now i wont say thats 4-0 to me coz u have some sort of a point there...call is a draw

then ever heard of yuvraj and kaif yes i have wots ur point r u saying kaif can replace tendulkar...boy wt drugs r u on? and yuvraj replace dravid i have seen both dravid and yuvraj live saying there name in the sam sentence is a dishonour to dravid. LAXMAN IS 30 U IDIOT, he isnt the next generation he is this generation. 4-0 to me

abt saqlain in his last 10 tests he took 55 wickets at an average of 20 point proven...5-0 to me

u really dont have a clue do u i wanted to post just to see if my views were agreed with or not, u had to ridicule them...to b honest the respect i have for u couldnt b measured with a nanometer...good bye.

 

[Beleg]

Chill out, Mr. Mofu. Heed SJS's words and wait for the series to commence, hopefully you will have the last laugh.

 

[PAKMAN]

Yes we call them Gol Gappe in North but in Mumbai and Gujarat they call them
Pani Poori.
I simply love them But in Bombay they cant make them as well as in the North

LOL yeah come to lahore aka Pakistan ka dil
and ul absolutely love the food
i think iv ate from the place u talkin about in london
its in south hall rite?
therz this guy rite outside iqbal stadium at Faisalabad
and he makes the most amazing gol gappay
my mouth is watering as im writing this
cant wait to go pakistan again

 

[mofo123]

LOL yeah come to lahore aka Pakistan ka dil
and ul absolutely love the food
i think iv ate from the place u talkin about in london
its in south hall rite?
therz this guy rite outside iqbal stadium at Faisalabad
and he makes the most amazing gol gappay
my mouth is watering as im writing this
cant wait to go pakistan again

hey pakman how r u, where in the UK r u man? im here in liverpool, come from sialkot originally. wot abt u?
gol gappay from sialkot and lahore r sumthing to talk abt too and the fruit chat...not forgetting dhai baray with meethi chaat..LOVE IT!!

 

[mofo123]

Hi Mofu,

At the outset dont get disturbed by those out to provoke you. You should be able to see that. You can quickly find who are the ones interested in a discussion and which are only interested in displaying their bigotry. Unfortunarely the second variety exisits and is amongst supporters of all teams.

Coming to your team, I would send Yohanna at number three. It is the most vital, pivotal position in the batting order and the best batsman in the team must be placed here. It has to be Inzy or Yohanna. Pakistan need to correct this. Yohanna has the game (knowing that the skipper is not keen on number three), to hold fort in case of an early disaster AND the strokes to consolidate on a strong opening. he must be number three.

I would love to get Malik into the side. I think he is a test batsman to rank three (after Yohanna and Inzi) in this Pak side. But I can see the problem of accomodating him after his bowling action problems. I wish either him or Younis would open the innings.

I think it is a reasonably good side and only a totally biased person would right them off for this series. Yes they do not start as favourites but they are capable of springing some surprises.

As an indian, i hope these are few, though

thanx SJS, i knw wot sum ppl r like but as long as theres ppl like u we hav hope thanx man keep up all the good posts and work

 

[nikhil1772]

Does anyone here wanna predict which 11 players would India & Pak will be selected for the 1st test?

I wouldn't,its too boring...

 

[SJS]

Does anyone here wanna predict which 11 players would India & Pak will be selecting for the 1st test?

I wouldn't,its too boring...

Just to bore you

India :
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Sachin
Laxman
Ganguly
Karthik
Pathan
Kumble
Balaji/Zaheer
Harbhajan

Pakistan
Salman
Hameed
Youhanna
Inzemaam
Younis
Razzaq
Akmal
Afridi
Sami
Kaneria
Rana

 

[nikhil1772]

You can only guess why I said it was boring...no AA.

I mean c'mon after all he has done in this domestic season,Balaji & Nehra get the nod ahead of him? Where's justice? Certainly not in the dictionary of Indian selectors panel.

 

[biased indian]

You can only guess why I said it was boring...no AA.

I mean c'mon after all he has done in this domestic season,Balaji & Nehra get the nod ahead of him? Where's justice? Certainly not in the dictionary of Indian selectors panel.

i think he can do a good thing that is to hang up his boots

 

[mofo123]

Just to bore you

India :
Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Sachin
Laxman
Ganguly
Karthik
Pathan
Kumble
Balaji/Zaheer
Harbhajan

Pakistan
Salman
Hameed
Youhanna
Inzemaam
Younis
Razzaq
Akmal
Afridi
Sami
Kaneria
Rana

AGREED! i hope this tour is as good as 2004...and india r returning to pak later this year rnt they or early next year...u think im jumping ahead by mentioning that...lol

 

[SJS]

AGREED! i hope this tour is as good as 2004...and india r returning to pak later this year rnt they or early next year...u think im jumping ahead by mentioning that...lol

I am planning to go to Pakistan at that time. Still to decide which match I should go for though. I wish one could cover the entire tour. There is so much of Pakistan i would like to see, least of all my ancestoral village

 

[Pratters]

Is it just me or does this series seem a bit dull for starters? I have not been too enthusiastic about the series which is in contrast to my usual reaction to an indo-pak series.

Maybe the disappointment of the Indians playing poorly right from when the Indian team won in Pakistan and the lack of bowling fire power in the Pakistani team apart from the quality of Kaneria has a role to play in that.

 

[Sehwag309]

Is it just me or does this series seem a bit dull for starters? I have not been too enthusiastic about the series which is in contrast to my usual reaction to an indo-pak series.

Maybe the disappointment of the Indians playing poorly right from when the Indian team won in Pakistan and the lack of bowling fire power in the Pakistani team apart from the quality of Kaneria has a role to play in that.

..Siv'nan said an interesting point when Pak played in Calcutta recently, he said the more these teams play, the less will be the feeling of rivalry, pressure and it would just seem another cricket series

 

[Deja moo]

Doesnt take a Sigmund Freud to figure that out.

 

[SJS]

Is it just me or does this series seem a bit dull for starters? I have not been too enthusiastic about the series which is in contrast to my usual reaction to an indo-pak series.

Maybe the disappointment of the Indians playing poorly right from when the Indian team won in Pakistan and the lack of bowling fire power in the Pakistani team apart from the quality of Kaneria has a role to play in that.

The bonhomie between the two countries, the fans and the players has taken away the 'venom' from the contest.

I am glad for that and we need to now appreciate them for what they are sporting contests rather than proxy wars !

It will take some maturing of the spectators/followers for this to happen.

The frequency was decided upon based on the hype that usually prevails these contests. With that gone, better sense will return and we will meet every alternate year in the future, I hope.

 

[honestbharani]

It seems that way, with India going to Pakistan in 2004 and now them coming here in 2005 and us scheduled to go there again in 2006.... But, did u guys notice how little India are going to be playing this year? After this series, we have a ODI triangular in SriLanka and after that, we are again free till late October. This year is gonna be soooo boring.

 

[Deja moo]

I thought the West Indies were visiting ?

 

[Sehwag309]

Doesnt take a Sigmund Freud to figure that out.

It isn't, but its never said..nor oftenly. Just replying to Pratush

Didn't know Mr. Freud watched Cricket

P.S

Indo-Pak series lacks usual hype

 

[Choora]

something u sed is very simple to understand that razzaq would b taking the place of a specialist bowler? at number 7? r u thinking straight? number 7 is the all rounders spot kid. and as for afridi at number 8 wots wrong with it, u dont want to b bowling at a tail who can hit u miles to hong kong? and he adds his spin to the side which has troubled the aussies and english so wots wrong with it?
1-0 to me
.

Number seven is the allrounder spot

And what good would i guy be if he hits miles to Hong Kong? all you need to do is clear the ropes, obviously you are clueless about that.

about going in to a match with 2 specialist bowlers and 3 ppl who can bowl and hold a bat wots wrong with that? south africa only have 2 specialist bowler. pollock, hall and kallis r all rounders then u r left with nitini and boje even boje can hold that bat...so in that case shut up u dont have a clue mate.. 2-0 to me

And SA happens to be the best team in the world , aren't they?? why can't you take the example of Australia (ever heard of them???) They always play with 4 specialist bowlers.
And on SA, Kallis is true allrounder that is a match winner with both and ball.Such allrounders deserve a place in test team. But players that can bowl a bit and bat a bit aren't good enough to be considered for test matches.

and abt rana who on earth do u think u r to judge a professional player u r saying the job he does for a living he desnt to well... if some1 came to ur house and sed u do a p*ss poor job of woteva u do im sure ud get pretty damn peeved. and effort is 9/10ths of the game... again kindly shut up...3-0 to me

Better learn to speak and write quickly, will you?

why have u got a fetish abt specialist bowlers and batsmen ppl can do the both and b successful...kallis!!! so dont say a specialist batsmen is best, wot abt the positives malik adds to the fielding? and he is one hell of a bat. now i wont say thats 4-0 to me coz u have some sort of a point there...call is a draw

Get it straight , Malik is NO Kallis. Allrounders like Kallis, Imran,Flintoff,Bothom and others should always be a part of test team.These players were/are champions with bat and champion with ball. Malik on the other hand is a mediocre test batsman and can just turn his arm a bit (if allowed) SEE THE DIFFERENCE??

then ever heard of yuvraj and kaif yes i have wots ur point r u saying kaif can replace tendulkar...boy wt drugs r u on? and yuvraj replace dravid i have seen both dravid and yuvraj live saying there name in the sam sentence is a dishonour to dravid. LAXMAN IS 30 U IDIOT, he isnt the next generation he is this generation. 4-0 to me

Who said that Kaif can replace Tendulkar?? No he can't BUT he can do a decent job. And Yuvraj,Mongia and others too can easily establish themselves. As for Laxman, he might be 30 but he still have good 6-7 years in him.

abt saqlain in his last 10 tests he took 55 wickets at an average of 20 point proven...5-0 to me

When was those test matches happened to have been played?? Why has been Saqlain been ignored by Pakistan Selection committee?? Don't say that he was injured coz even when he wasn't injured he wasn't being considered for selection.
If you actually think that Saqlain is still good, then you are a fool.

And lastly you will do a better job as a joker in a circus than in trying to be a judge and giving verdict on ur own statement!

 

[Choora]

Pakistan
Salman
Hameed
Youhanna
Inzemaam
Younis
Razzaq
Akmal
Afridi
Sami
Kaneria
Rana

Nah that isn't good in my opinion.The lineup should be like this.
Salman
Umar
Younis
Inzi
Youhanna
Asim
Razzak
Akmal
Naveed
Sami
Kaneria.

-- Little to choose between Hameed and Umar.
---- Inzi and Youhana lacks guts to come in at one down spot, therefore i have Younis at onedown spot.
-- Asim is a solid batsman an ideal for number six spot, if he's sidelined for stupid reasons then Pakistan will lose a good batsman, just like they lost Mohd Waseem years back.

---Razzak is only in the side coz Pakistan have no decent third pacer.

I think this will be Pak's lineup for the first test match.