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*Official* India Tour of England 2018
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Starfighter
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I think people's perceptions of Ishant tend to be stuck in 2013. It's pretty hard overcoming impressions created by being generally rubbish for so long.
the big bambino
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same could be said about Anderson. He's been good for so long but can't shake the cloud over his reputation.
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Great to see India actually have a crack at the total and not try to block out a draw. Need more intent like that in Test cricket.
Was going to say this. Kohli really struggled against Anderson, played and missed a lot. Those figures are down mostly to luck.
Starfighter
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Well, really they're down to horrible, horrible fielding.
GoodAreasShane
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Not too displeased with that effort tbh
Shri
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Then pretty much every bat playing well in England is just lucky. Getting beaten, moving on, concentrating hard and to score runs is not just luck.
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I'm talking specifically about the figures in question. I didn't say Kohli only did well in the series because of luck. I said he managed not to get out once to Anderson because of luck.
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Rahul: One great knock when the series was dead seems to have convinced some people that he's done well but for almost the entire series he looked a sitting duck against the incoming delivery.
Dhawan: A couple of 20s and 30s is the ceiling of what anyone reasonably expected so no one can be particularly disappointed. But it's Shaw time.
Vijay : Shame to see one of the best batsmen from the 2014-15 overseas leg play like he had no clue which end of the bat to hold. Still wouldn't bin him for good though since the alternatives are so shite.
Pujara : Played one superb knock but little else. Thought he looked way better and more confident after that downhill skiing 70 in the 3rd test. Encouraging to see, but his technique is just too flawed to get runs overseas. Hopefully he gets a few on those flat shitheaps in Australia.
Kohli : Batted as well as anyone could have hoped. Rode his luck a bit with drops and edges, and gave it away with a couple of bad dismissals but that's just being nitpicky. He's had two absolutely superb overseas tours in a row in difficult batting conditions where he's looked a level above any other batsman on either team but has had precious little support from his teammates.Best active batsman in the world by a mile.
Rahane : For the supposed overseas specialist this was a complete failure. To his credit, his two scores were both very very good knocks in the context but still nowhere near good enough. I'm not even convinced Rohit would have done much worse. Probably needs some time back in the domestics but he's rubbish in Indian conditions so I don't even think that'll help.
Vihari: One of the jammiest fifties I've seen in a while even though he looked pretty good as the innings progressed. Don't think he's good enough for tests tbh but it would be harsh to judge him on one test.
Hardik: said this about him before the series
Pant: Looks a rubbish keeper even though most of the byes weren't his fault, but clearly has loads of talent with the bat. Not sure if he provides better overall value than Saha but definitely looks a more promising batsman.
Ishant : Was excellent throughout the series except lord's. And the thing is, it was completely unsurprising how good he was.
Shami: Bowled better than an average of 38 would indicate but he did spray it around at times and was India's least impressive pacer.
Bumrah: Genuine revelation. Thought he was a tad lucky to get away with his figures in SA but he was awesome here. Could be a real find and Shastri and Kohli deserve a lot of credit for backing him in the longer format.
Ashwin : One very good test but this isn't the first time he's let the team down by bowling badly in favorable spin bowling conditions. But no, Jadeja is not a better bowler.
Jadeja: Not the meme cricketer he's made out to be at times but also not as good as Ashwin, at least with the ball. India need to rotate Hardik/Ashwin/Jadeja better and shouldn't hesitate playing Ashwin and Jadeja both if necessary. This obviously stems from their lack of confidence in the frontline bowlers to do well and also not get injured which is understandable, but they should back them more imo.
Overall a pretty garbage series. I see a lot of the media celebrating how competitive the series was and how the 4-1 scoreline doesn't reflect that competitiveness, and there's a little bit of truth to that. However, simply competing in English conditions isn't much of an achievement, they're not as dominant as Australia at home where they smash everyone bar the odd series. West indies won a test last year and competed well for almost the entirety of the deciding test too. Australia, 60 all out memes aside managed two wins. Pakistan have drawn their last two series there. SL won a series. NZ drew the last time they toured (probably should've won) . India's "achievement" of being competitive is not worthy of any praise whatsoever.
Dhawan: A couple of 20s and 30s is the ceiling of what anyone reasonably expected so no one can be particularly disappointed. But it's Shaw time.
Vijay : Shame to see one of the best batsmen from the 2014-15 overseas leg play like he had no clue which end of the bat to hold. Still wouldn't bin him for good though since the alternatives are so shite.
Pujara : Played one superb knock but little else. Thought he looked way better and more confident after that downhill skiing 70 in the 3rd test. Encouraging to see, but his technique is just too flawed to get runs overseas. Hopefully he gets a few on those flat shitheaps in Australia.
Kohli : Batted as well as anyone could have hoped. Rode his luck a bit with drops and edges, and gave it away with a couple of bad dismissals but that's just being nitpicky. He's had two absolutely superb overseas tours in a row in difficult batting conditions where he's looked a level above any other batsman on either team but has had precious little support from his teammates.Best active batsman in the world by a mile.
Rahane : For the supposed overseas specialist this was a complete failure. To his credit, his two scores were both very very good knocks in the context but still nowhere near good enough. I'm not even convinced Rohit would have done much worse. Probably needs some time back in the domestics but he's rubbish in Indian conditions so I don't even think that'll help.
Vihari: One of the jammiest fifties I've seen in a while even though he looked pretty good as the innings progressed. Don't think he's good enough for tests tbh but it would be harsh to judge him on one test.
Hardik: said this about him before the series
Close enough. Tried with the bat, produced one great spell. Should be in the frame for selection in overseas tests going forward, he just shouldn't be a lock.
Pant: Looks a rubbish keeper even though most of the byes weren't his fault, but clearly has loads of talent with the bat. Not sure if he provides better overall value than Saha but definitely looks a more promising batsman.
Ishant : Was excellent throughout the series except lord's. And the thing is, it was completely unsurprising how good he was.
Shami: Bowled better than an average of 38 would indicate but he did spray it around at times and was India's least impressive pacer.
Bumrah: Genuine revelation. Thought he was a tad lucky to get away with his figures in SA but he was awesome here. Could be a real find and Shastri and Kohli deserve a lot of credit for backing him in the longer format.
Ashwin : One very good test but this isn't the first time he's let the team down by bowling badly in favorable spin bowling conditions. But no, Jadeja is not a better bowler.
Jadeja: Not the meme cricketer he's made out to be at times but also not as good as Ashwin, at least with the ball. India need to rotate Hardik/Ashwin/Jadeja better and shouldn't hesitate playing Ashwin and Jadeja both if necessary. This obviously stems from their lack of confidence in the frontline bowlers to do well and also not get injured which is understandable, but they should back them more imo.
Overall a pretty garbage series. I see a lot of the media celebrating how competitive the series was and how the 4-1 scoreline doesn't reflect that competitiveness, and there's a little bit of truth to that. However, simply competing in English conditions isn't much of an achievement, they're not as dominant as Australia at home where they smash everyone bar the odd series. West indies won a test last year and competed well for almost the entirety of the deciding test too. Australia, 60 all out memes aside managed two wins. Pakistan have drawn their last two series there. SL won a series. NZ drew the last time they toured (probably should've won) . India's "achievement" of being competitive is not worthy of any praise whatsoever.
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Borges
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I think they are. Helps that the rest of the Asian teams they play are minnows and they don't have a strong challenger like SA who are used to similar conditions and can be dangerous when touring, but I'd still say India at home are just as big a Test, if not more, than Aus at home.
Arachnodouche
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Good ratings, OverratedSanity. 1-4 is a humiliating scoreline for the no.1 Test team in the world, any way you read it. From this batting lot, the only ones I'd like to see overseas would be Rahul (down the order), Pujara, Kohli, Pant, and hopefully Nair gets more of a lookin too.
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CricAddict
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In overseas tests, India should play a little safer and play with the 6 best batsmen atleast to start with. I will have the below line-up to start in Australia.
Shaw, Dhawan/Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Rahul, Pant, Bhuvi, Jadeja, Bumrah, Ishant/Shami
Shaw, Dhawan/Vijay, Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Rahul, Pant, Bhuvi, Jadeja, Bumrah, Ishant/Shami
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I feel like if you need a 5th bowler anywhere, it's Australia lately. Otherwise you're going to have a lot of overs from part timers on those roads.
Shri
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Would rather play this XI tbh:
Rahul
Shaw
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Vihari
Pant
Bhuvi
Kuldeep
Ishant
Bumrah
GoodAreasShane
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A question for our Indian members, do you actually think Shaw will be selected for Australia? I have seen a bit of him and can understand what the hype is about, looks to have the makings of a quality batsman. But there is always the a risk to throwing someone of his age into test cricket, if he struggles it may take a fair while to recover.