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[adharcric]

Err What happened to the 5 Bowler theory ? I thought they were going to stick to it...it seems like it was a Ploy by Greg 'Underarm' Chappell to keep Sourav out of the XI.

Chappell/Dravid have taken Indian team for a ride and to a new low by their stupid Re-building for the future. They have destroyed the confidence of VVs Laxman, Md. Kaif and now they have done the same to Pathan. And why is Mr. Chappal telling the whole world that 'Pathan's confidence is down', what the hell happened to 'whatever happens in Dressing room stays in Dressing room' and what purpose does it serve ? Why cant they just say that Irfan was dropped instead of making idiotic statements.

Here is another Gem from our team manager :- "Only 11 can play in a match so five have to be dropped from the 16. Irfan and Harbhajan were in the ODI squad also and they have been rested for a while,"

What kind of idiot is this manager...If Pathan/Bhajji needed rest, why did they play in the warm up match ?

LOL @ that ******** manager. Don't go by anything the Indian media or team management say - it's either politically correct or ********. I just explained why they can't use the 5-bowler strategy without Pathan; he's the only bowler we have who is (apparently) good enough to bat at #7. Kaif shouldn't expect to get a spot because he was already behind both Laxman and Yuvraj, but Laxman was treated like crap for sure. I like Yuvraj a lot, but you simply don't bench a classy veteran who can still perform for a youngster with promise. If Laxman had a genuine slump, it would be understandable. Even if Chappell proves to be a good cricketing mind and coach (as he well could), he has got to go down as one of the worst when it comes to tactful statements and handling the public and media. Dravid is more tactful than Chappell and Chappell is more tactful than the so-called manager, but they all share one trait: pretending like everything is going perfectly well even when the team is in deep ****. Hence the "Ganguly's an all-rounder", "Pathan is rested" & "Dhoni will open". God help these men (barring Dravid, who isn't doing too bad).

 

[marc71178]

Amazing how its all Chappell's fault.

A bit like all SL's problems are being blamed on Moody.

Is it the fact that they're not natives that makes them the easy scapegoat?

 

[silentstriker]

Amazing how its all Chappell's fault.

A bit like all SL's problems are being blamed on Moody.

Is it the fact that they're not natives that makes them the easy scapegoat?

Unfortunatly, it does. Even with the success of Wright, people still ask 'Why do we need a foreign coach?' And this stuff goes beyond cricket too. Politics...people still say of Sonia Gandhi, "She's an Italian." And I remember that a professor of Sanskrit was removed at one of the universities because he was white, and people said "He could possibly not understand." Ridiculous and racist arguments really.

Not that all critisims against CHapell are racist, but there definatly is a general feelign among a lot of people that a foreign born person shouldn't be coaching, etc.

 

[adharcric]

Amazing how its all Chappell's fault.

Who said it is?

 

[marc71178]

Just about every post in here today is blaming him.

 

[adharcric]

The posts are criticizing his actual actions and statements, not assigning blame to him for the performance of the Indian team. If Chappell makes a statement, shouldn't we judge it? Chappell isn't getting ALL the blame or even close to it, at least IMO.

 

[Sanz]

Amazing how its all Chappell's fault.

A bit like all SL's problems are being blamed on Moody.

Is it the fact that they're not natives that makes them the easy scapegoat?

If you are given zillions of dollars and a free hand in the selection of Team India, then yes, it is your fault. He has been very outspoken about the kind of future he sees for team India but so far we have not seen that in our test performance.

Besides, his idiocy has gone up , first he and Dravid dropped Pathan, then told the whole world that Pathan is low on confidence.

I am not too bothered about India's performance, but the kind of bowlers we have in the team is really laughable. Munaf Patel, the guy wasn't able to hold his place in a Ranji team gets to play for team India. He cant bowl 6 overs in a row. He doesn't know a thing about line/length. Dont want to say anything about VRV singh escept that In my life time he is the worst player to play for India. Heck even Noel David was better than him.

As for being Native - JW wasn't native either and i dont think anyone tried to make him the scapegoat at least not anymore than our then captain.

 

[Sanz]

Just about every post in here today is blaming him.

Chappel/Dravid - I named both. Also their experimentation has gone too far. Zaheer/Nehra/Aa/Balaji at their worst are any day better than Munaf/Santh/Pathan/VRV.

For me, the later is clearly the worst Indian bowling attack of alltime.

 

[alternative]

^ hell ganguly's medium pace is far better than this bowling attack..

Yuvraj should have had a bowl yesterday, he seemed to be quite good of late..

 

[JustTool]

No abuse from me. Give me a break. These guys get all the adulation, attention and money for meiocre performances at best. When they perform outright poorly then we must call them for it....after all I PAY DISH handsome money everytime to watch - I, as a fan, have a right to call their abysmal performances....

the selection, the attitude, the performace - all are rotten.

And that, as they say, is a FACT !!

You've made that point at least 5 times today. Anyways, he deserves it - terrible day for Sreesanth. Don't forget what he did against England but don't rely on it. If he can bowl fast and full like he did in the last series, he's fine; if he can't, you keep the abuse going JustTool.

 

[JustTool]

YES !! Good observation !

Chappel/Dravid - I named both. Also their experimentation has gone too far. Zaheer/Nehra/Aa/Balaji at their worst are any day better than Munaf/Santh/Pathan/VRV.

For me, the later is clearly the worst Indian bowling attack of alltime.

 

[JustTool]

Well, he was brought in to take the team to the next level. He promised it and the whole system is subservient to him - the selectors included. Look at what happened to Ganguly who questioned him.

So when you ahve absolute power people expect you to deliver on the platform that you were elected on....

So get over your century old colonial mentaility and step into the 21st century of globalism :-) :-)

Just about every post in here today is blaming him.

 

[JustTool]

Well, I think people are dumping on Sreesanth much more but how come you didn't pick up on that...

Just about every post in here today is blaming him.

 

[JustTool]

Good post !

If you are given zillions of dollars and a free hand in the selection of Team India, then yes, it is your fault. He has been very outspoken about the kind of future he sees for team India but so far we have not seen that in our test performance.

Besides, his idiocy has gone up , first he and Dravid dropped Pathan, then told the whole world that Pathan is low on confidence.

I am not too bothered about India's performance, but the kind of bowlers we have in the team is really laughable. Munaf Patel, the guy wasn't able to hold his place in a Ranji team gets to play for team India. He cant bowl 6 overs in a row. He doesn't know a thing about line/length. Dont want to say anything about VRV singh escept that In my life time he is the worst player to play for India. Heck even Noel David was better than him.

As for being Native - JW wasn't native either and i dont think anyone tried to make him the scapegoat at least not anymore than our then captain.

 

[silentstriker]

So...where are the people that were accusing me of being too negative now?

Chapell IMO is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket in a while. The team's downturn began under the end of the Wright era, and I think Chapell is doing the best with the bad bowling talent that he has. Although, I will call him out on the selection for this test. Habhajan should be in there. VRV should not be in international cricket. Sreesanth is a poor bowler, and Munaf is not much better. I must agree that this is the worst bowling attack I have seen in my lifetime, from any of the major test nations, ever.

It's disgusting. I would rather pick five bowlers from Ranji trophy who are at least consistently performing than these. Even if they are mediocre at the international level, hopefully they will be consistently so. These guys vary from good to absoutely unbelievably horrible.

 

[Sanz]

Chapell IMO is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket in a while. The team's downturn began under the end of the Wright era, and I think Chapell is doing the best with the bad bowling talent that he has.

How do you know that is the best we have ? These folks are far worse than Zaheer/Balaji @ their worst. And isn't Chappel supposed to make them better. Indian won 90-95 of ODIs under Chappel/Dravid because of our batsmen and our bowlers mediocricy went unnoticed. The moment our batsmen failed to put up unbeatable totals, we see thewse bowlers' real worth.And if Chappel is the best thing happened to Indian cricket then I shudder to think about the worst.

Chappell/More/Dravid - Worst group ever in terms of team selection and management.

 

[Dasa]

It's good to see no-one is going over the top in this thread.

 

[JustTool]

Good point. Did any of any of these guys EVER perform at the Ranji level. In restrospect - you must hand it to Saurav - he discovered and nurtured the young talent and got the BEST out of them.

The reason I rant about Chappel i sbecause he made it clear he in in charge and, inlike the Wirght era, it was his way or the highway. Well, right now, the highway looks to be a great place to be..

Lastly, no one is saying it because everyone knows it - Kiran More is an IDIOT who is Chappel's slave :-)

So...where are the people that were accusing me of being too negative now?

Chapell IMO is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket in a while. The team's downturn began under the end of the Wright era, and I think Chapell is doing the best with the bad bowling talent that he has. Although, I will call him out on the selection for this test. Habhajan should be in there. VRV should not be in international cricket. Sreesanth is a poor bowler, and Munaf is not much better. I must agree that this is the worst bowling attack I have seen in my lifetime, from any of the major test nations, ever.

It's disgusting. I would rather pick five bowlers from Ranji trophy who are at least consistently performing than these. Even if they are mediocre at the international level, hopefully they will be consistently so. These guys vary from good to absoutely unbelievably horrible.

 

[silentstriker]

Good pint. Did any of any of these guys EVER perform at the Ranji level. In restrospect - you must hand it to Saurav - he discovered and nurtured the young talent and got the BEST out of them.

The reason I rant about Chappel i sbecause he made it clear he in in charge and, inlike the Wirght era, it was his way or the highway. Well, right now, the highway looks to be a great place to be..

Lastly, no one is saying it because everyone knows it - Kiran More is an IDIOT who is Chappel's slave :-)

You must remind me - how many non-subcontinental series victories did we achieve under Wright?

 

[Jono]

It's good to see no-one is going over the top in this thread.

Worst official thread I've seen in a while.

Its a disgrace.