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Mr Mxyzptlk

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adharcric said:
That's what differentiates the really good one-day batsmen from the rest: they can find the gaps when the pressure is on.
It was a learning experience and he found the gap in the end.

Lots of lessons on offer today. Dwayne Bravo, Jerome Taylor, Mohammed Kaif, Munaf Patel - all clearly were better for it by the end of the game.
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It's not like he was leaving the ball alone or playing defensive shots. He was trying to score runs. It was just good bowling and some sharp fielding. Ease up on him - he played a match-winning knock.

8-)
Since you have been watching the match, you would know better but I find it difficult to believe that a player who has faced 70 odd balls couldn't play tip'n'run cricket against what must have been good but not great bowling.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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viktor said:
Since you have been watching the match, you would know better but I find it difficult to believe that a player who has faced 70 odd balls couldn't play tip'n'run cricket against what must have been good but not great bowling.
It was a top quality over from Jerome Taylor to be honest. He could hadly have bowled it much better. Taylor bowled poorly early on, but came back tremendously in the clutch. Both he and Bravo were unlucky to surrended fine edges for four.

I was very impressed. I wasn't too impressed with Dhoni though. I think he was out in an irresponsible and then unnecessary manner.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yay, won a fair bit of money overall from this match thanks to my Morton and India win bet. Yay good stuff India :)

Dravid you gun, and Kaif well played. :cool:
 
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adharcric

International Coach
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It was a top quality over from Jerome Taylor to be honest. He could hadly have bowled it much better. Taylor bowled poorly early on, but came back tremendously in the clutch. Both he and Bravo were unlucky to surrended fine edges for four.

I was very impressed. I wasn't too impressed with Dhoni though. I think he was out in an irresponsible and then unnecessary manner.
Yeah Taylor was really awesome at the death. As for Dhoni, this was probably the first time I've seen him get out irresponsibly in an ODI. It's funny, the two most reckless shots of his career thus far have come in tests and not ODIs.
 

vic_orthdox

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adharcric said:
It's not like Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni have constructed those stellar run-chases by rotating the strike with open fields
The thing is that middle order batsmen often do - they come in between overs 20 and 40 with no pressure, the field spread, and it's very easy to knock the ball into gaps for runs, as opposed to find gaps through ring fields like you're forced to do if opening the batting, or if (as it sounds from this thread) they bring up the field in the last few overs.
 

adharcric

International Coach
vic_orthdox said:
The thing is that middle order batsmen often do - they come in between overs 20 and 40 with no pressure, the field spread, and it's very easy to knock the ball into gaps for runs, as opposed to find gaps through ring fields like you're forced to do if opening the batting, or if (as it sounds from this thread) they bring up the field in the last few overs.
Yeah you're right about that, but I was disappointed more with Kaif's slow rate in the middle-overs rather than his deadly dot balls at the end. He was batting in the middle-overs for much of his innings so it was more his inability to find the gaps rather than a tight field for the most part.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Over the past few months, we've discovered two new pace weapons in Sreesanth and Munaf Patel. Have you guys noticed how RP Singh has simultaneously gone downhill? The metronomic accuracy that made him look so promising early on hasn't been on display lately. He definitely needs to stay with the A team and develop some consistency alongside VRV Singh. Believe it or not, I've got Agarkar ahead of RP Singh for the next match.

Sehwag, Dravid, Pathan, Yuvraj, Kaif, Raina, Dhoni, Agarkar, Harbhajan, Munaf, Sreesanth

Also, Dravid needs to understand that Yuvraj and not Sehwag is our best part-timer.
 
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Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It's not like he was leaving the ball alone or playing defensive shots. He was trying to score runs. It was just good bowling and some sharp fielding. Ease up on him - he played a match-winning knock.

8-)
he is not a big-shot guy while he had the original mr. big shot at the other end..why the hell could he not have tried to take a quick single and given the strike to dhoni was my point, he was rotating the strike so well till that time...? and i agree most of his knock was good but the end was really iffy and he just barely got india through the gate.....
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
good to see West Indies fighting like that, this series could end up being closer than i thought.
 

adharcric

International Coach
What's with the Indian players cutting their hair for this tour? Pathan and Raina both trimmed down, Sehwag doesn't have much to begin with and Dhoni's golden locks are a thing of the past. Sreesanth looks pretty funny as well.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Good win for India. I expect our bowling to be a lot more tighter from now on. This is the most indisciplined bowling performance by India in a long long time. We have been very disciplined, esp. with extra balls, so I think this was just an aberration and hopefully it won't happen again.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Since 1 Jan 2005, Dravid has scored 1733 ODI runs at 48.13 with 3 centuries and 15 half-centuries. Brilliant stuff, what a champion.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Jono said:
Since 1 Jan 2005, Dravid has scored 1733 ODI runs at 48.13 with 3 centuries and 15 half-centuries. Brilliant stuff, what a champion.
A champion, really?? Some would have you believe Dravid "would be lucky to make the world's 2nd x1 for ODIs."
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
That some is just 'one', so no dramas there. ;)

Dravid's continous improvement in ODIs is amazing though. When Sachin returns and opens the innings, the middle order will look very very good with Dravid, Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni with Kaif thrown in there and Pathan's pinch hitting abilities as well.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Jono said:
That some is just 'one', so no dramas there. ;)

Dravid's continous improvement in ODIs is amazing though. When Sachin returns and opens the innings, the middle order will look very very good with Dravid, Yuvraj, Raina and Dhoni with Kaif thrown in there and Pathan's pinch hitting abilities as well.
True...I found this an interesting quotation from an article by Siddhartha Vaidyanathan on CricInfo "A century off 99 balls while chasing, as Greg Chappell was to later concur, must be something special. In the 22 games played before this one, ever since he was appointed full-time captain, he averaged 55.88, including one century and nine fifties. Is there a case for calling him the best current one-day batsman? Think about it."

Amazing stats, those...certainly up there with the very best.
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
It was a top quality over from Jerome Taylor to be honest. He could hadly have bowled it much better. Taylor bowled poorly early on, but came back tremendously in the clutch. Both he and Bravo were unlucky to surrended fine edges for four.

I was very impressed. I wasn't too impressed with Dhoni though. I think he was out in an irresponsible and then unnecessary manner.
Hmmm...I guess I have to take your word for it.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Jono said:
Since 1 Jan 2005, Dravid has scored 1733 ODI runs at 48.13 with 3 centuries and 15 half-centuries. Brilliant stuff, what a champion.
that's called leading from the front!:)
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Dasa said:
A champion, really?? Some would have you believe Dravid "would be lucky to make the world's 2nd x1 for ODIs."
yeah each time he delivers such clutch innings, such moronic and obviously prejudiced comments are rendered even more worthless....
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Dravid is equal with Ponting ATM in my opinion. Then you have KP, Hussey, Dhoni, Gilly closely behind.
 
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