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[silentstriker]

Makes a lot of sense in a way though.

I guess it doesn't even help Kumble that he doesn't tend to turn it as much either, since the umpire can't see the turn in such a short time?

It might be harder, but Taufel, being a good umpire, can usually get it right. Jerling, being a crappy umpire, usually couldn't.

 

[silentstriker]

Once again, if its a greentop there is LESS need for five bowlers, as there is more likelihood for the four bowlers to take 20 wickets rather than on a flat pitch.

I don't understand your theory. Its illogical.

Really it should be either its 5 bowlers no matter what the pitch, or only 4 bowlers if the pitch is bowler friendly. Not 5 only if the pitch is green.

It should be five bowlers no matter the pitch. The reason being, even greentops might start cracking up in the final two days and I want two spinners. And two seamers aren't enough because we can never know which one of our seamers will have a good game, so we just need to fill up with three of them, and hopefully one of them has a great game, and one other has an OK game. We don't really have to use the third one, except as a change up. Its a spot wasted pretty much, but until our seamers can be consistent, its the only chance we have.

 

[marc71178]

So if Kumble doesn't turn it much, adjudging his lbw shouts should be like doing so for a seamer right? If these umpires can make good decisions for seamers bowling at 140 kph, why not Kumble at 100 kph?

I guess that the problem is he does get more movement than a seamer.

However I would also imagine that he pitches the ball a fair bit closer to the batsman than the seamer, hence reducing time to see how far the ball is moving?

 

[adharcric]

I guess that the problem is he does get more movement than a seamer.

However I would also imagine that he pitches the ball a fair bit closer to the batsman than the seamer, hence reducing time to see how far the ball is moving?

Well there are plenty of minor reasons one can come up with, but I think this is just Taufel speaking up because his partner Jerling has made such a mess of the last test. Otherwise, the umpiring on Kumble's bowling isn't usually this horrendous.

 

[Rajeev]

But he has got all these wickets and has been bowling so many years

How come an Umpire just comes up with these comments, especially when his partner has no clue about LBW's, I think umpires like Jerling needs to spend some time in India and correct his mistakes

He shouldn't be there on the field, he is certainly not elite and needs to trained properly

It normally boils down to "Oh Indians complain a lot about Umpiring", fact is, this elite umpire basically took away the game from us

 

[maxpower]

Makes a lot of sense in a way though.

I guess it doesn't even help Kumble that he doesn't tend to turn it as much either, since the umpire can't see the turn in such a short time?

Actually Taufeel does'nt really know what hes talking about, stats show Kumble gets more LBW's than Warne. And anyone whos watched kumble bowl would know how times over and over again batsmen go on back foot to play him, only to have the balll come faster than anticipated and get plumb well inside crease and in the middle stump, and with less turn easily given LBW.

Anil Kumble, LBW 128 wickets(24.3%)
Shane Warne LBW 134 wickets (19.6%)

 

[adharcric]

Nice one maxpower. Taufel is clearly cleaning up Jerling's mess, nothing more.

 

[honestbharani]

my prediction was right.


I think Jamaica might turn out to be another karachi. Actually, I am afraid it might be so.

 

[adharcric]

Same thoughts here hb. All I can say is ... have faith in our team and hope for the best.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Actually Taufeel does'nt really know what hes talking about, stats show Kumble gets more LBW's than Warne.

Anil Kumble, LBW 128 wickets(24.3%)
Shane Warne LBW 134 wickets (19.6%)

Those stats say nothing. Show me stats pertaining to wickets taken relative to lbw appeals, then you may have a point. Sadly, you don't.

 

[maxpower]

Those stats say nothing. Show me stats pertaining to wickets taken relative to lbw appeals, then you may have a point. Sadly, you don't.

No since you care about that stat you show numbers to prove me wrong !!!! or take it up with howstat.com and ask them to research on that. I mean Indians appeal a lot !!! isn't that the general consesus here ne ways....top 3 spin bowlers in world, murali, shane and kumble, of those only one is know for less spin and he has more wickets through LBW than either two, and ask any sane person who watches cricket about judging LBW based on flight and turn, most will say its easy to judge straight one than one that turns.

 

[silentstriker]

Those stats say nothing. Show me stats pertaining to wickets taken relative to lbw appeals, then you may have a point. Sadly, you don't.

*NO ONE* appeals LBW more than Warne and Murali. Especially Warne, he's the master of appealing. Thats one reason I love watching him, believe it or not. Its great, the ball is no where near the line, and he appeals the umpire with a facial expression that pretty much says, "You'd have to be an idiot to give that one not-out." Its fantastic.

Mordern incarnation of Lilee, really.

 

[Rajeev]

He must have done this oftenly but I remember once he acutally never appealed or turned around to ask the question and raised his own finger and everyone started celebrating

He thought it was so obvious and he didnt care to ask the question, the umpire looked like a fool out there and completed the formality by rasiing his finger

 

[vic_orthdox]

No since you care about that stat you show numbers to prove me wrong !!!! or take it up with howstat.com and ask them to research on that. I mean Indians appeal a lot !!! isn't that the general consesus here ne ways....top 3 spin bowlers in world, murali, shane and kumble, of those only one is know for less spin and he has more wickets through LBW than either two, and ask any sane person who watches cricket about judging LBW based on flight and turn, most will say its easy to judge straight one than one that turns.

You've shown why Kumble has a higher percentage in your own post.

If someone is spinning the ball a long way (a la Murali and Warne) for the ball to hit the stumps, it's more likely to hit the batsman outside the line of off stump, or pitch outside leg. When they hit someone in line with the stumps, chances are that it'll be spinning too much to hit the stumps and thus given not out.

As for Kumble, who doesn't spin it as much and bowls very stump-to-stump, when he hits someone in line with the stumps its more likely to be given out.

Taufel said it was difficult to be sure, or something of the sort, about Kumble. Just because you find it difficult to give LBWs off a certain bowler doesn't mean that you give less - Kumble is such a hard bowler to adjudge LBWs because he creates so many chances for that wicket!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

No since you care about that stat you show numbers to prove me wrong !!!! or take it up with howstat.com and ask them to research on that. I mean Indians appeal a lot !!! isn't that the general consesus here ne ways....top 3 spin bowlers in world, murali, shane and kumble, of those only one is know for less spin and he has more wickets through LBW than either two, and ask any sane person who watches cricket about judging LBW based on flight and turn, most will say its easy to judge straight one than one that turns.

I don't care about the stat, but I'm saying that you can't respond the initial call (Warne gets more LBW appeals upheld than Kumble) with the stats that you presented. It's a pretty logical call.

 

[ramu]

For three tests now, the Indian attack has been unable to take twenty wickets. Surely, the rain and Brian Jerling had a large part to play, but no one can deny that this attack isn't quite as penetrative as it should be. This leaves the option of five bowlers for Kingston, where we just might see a pitch that supports the seamers. Considering the risk involved in such a strategy, it's obvious that Irfan Pathan is the man that comes in. Now, who should go out? At the start of the series, it would've been Laxman or Kaif. Now, the man is Yuvraj ... and this coming from a huge fan. So, do you take Yuvraj or Pathan?

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YEAH MY FRIEND
SEND YUVRAJ HOME WE DONT NEED HIM THERE
HE IS A WASTE OF SPACE IN THE TEAM
BRING IN PATHAN BAI
I SAY INIDA WIN THE LAST MATCH
YOU WANNA BET

 

[Dasa]

What a reply. Up there with the best, surely.

 

[silentstriker]

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YEAH MY FRIEND
SEND YUVRAJ HOME WE DONT NEED HIM THERE
HE IS A WASTE OF SPACE IN THE TEAM
BRING IN PATHAN BAI
I SAY INIDA WIN THE LAST MATCH
YOU WANNA BET

I would take Yuvraj over Pathan, especially considering Pathan's recent form.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

For three tests now, the Indian attack has been unable to take twenty wickets. Surely, the rain and Brian Jerling had a large part to play, but no one can deny that this attack isn't quite as penetrative as it should be. This leaves the option of five bowlers for Kingston, where we just might see a pitch that supports the seamers. Considering the risk involved in such a strategy, it's obvious that Irfan Pathan is the man that comes in. Now, who should go out? At the start of the series, it would've been Laxman or Kaif. Now, the man is Yuvraj ... and this coming from a huge fan. So, do you take Yuvraj or Pathan?

-
YEAH MY FRIEND
SEND YUVRAJ HOME WE DONT NEED HIM THERE
HE IS A WASTE OF SPACE IN THE TEAM
BRING IN PATHAN BAI
I SAY INIDA WIN THE LAST MATCH
YOU WANNA BET

For starters, please do not post in capitals.

 

[silentstriker]

India go in with only four bowlers, including two spinners (so only two fast bowlers...only one of whom will likely be firing). Congratulations West Indies on a series win.