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Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
But atleast VRV kinda' kept it a bit tight, his economy rate wasn't very high. And I am afraid if we give Pathan the ball, he'll might end up giving quite a lot of runs.
 

Dravid

International Captain
Turbinator said:
But atleast VRV kinda' kept it a bit tight, his economy rate wasn't very high. And I am afraid if we give Pathan the ball, he'll might end up giving quite a lot of runs.
Trust me, I'm sure Pathan couldn't have done any worse than VRV.
 

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
Dravid said:
Trust me, I'm sure Pathan couldn't have done any worse than VRV.
Well, IMO, it's taking a risk... but maybe his batting will compensate for it.

Plus are you sure Pathan would be able to manage an overall economy rate of 3.12? I doubt it, considering his recent form.
 
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Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'd be more confident with Pathan than VRV at the moment, he is more likely to get wickets, his batting and fielding are a plus and although he is a very different kind of bowler to VRV I think he might do well in these conditions.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
If Munaf isn't going to be ready, I'd rather have Patel over VRV. At least he can swing it a bit. VRV bowls as straight as Giles.
 

Dravid

International Captain
silentstriker said:
If Munaf isn't going to be ready, I'd rather have Patel over VRV. At least he can swing it a bit. VRV bowls as straight as Giles.
If patel is fit, he would play over VRV any day. You don't need to worry bout that.
 

tendulkar

Cricket Spectator
68/1

Zak, SS and Pathan have bowled 5 overs each, Patel and Ganguly have bowled 4. Patel and Pathan are the ones who need to bowl a long spell really, just have to decide b/w the two.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Its not about whether Patel is unfit, its about whether he's 100% fit or not. Different I reckon.

I remember we took in Zaheer into the 3rd test (MCG Boxing Day test) vs. Australia back in 2003/04 and he broke down, leaving a pace bowling attack of AA and Nehra :dry:

The main thing is not to have Munaf break down during the 2nd test. We could rely on only two fast bowlers at Jo'burg because they didn't have to bowl too long, seeing as how the pitch was playing and how crap SA batted. But if they have to bowl long spells, you need a 3rd fast bowler who can do the job. VRV can't, and if you choose Munaf he has to be able to bowl long spells.
 

adharcric

International Coach
That's what I meant. Patel needs to be fully match-fit because he can bowl long, tight spells keeping the pressure on from one end and take wickets at the same time.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
Pathan being given a chance to prove himself here...and failing miserably with 11 overs for 74. Hopefully Munaf is deemed to be match fit, but if not, I'd rather VRV than Pathan. VRV is less likely to serve up easy four balls and can at least hurry the batsman on a bit.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Dasa said:
Pathan being given a chance to prove himself here...and failing miserably with 11 overs for 74. Hopefully Munaf is deemed to be match fit, but if not, I'd rather VRV than Pathan. VRV is less likely to serve up easy four balls and can at least hurry the batsman on a bit.
Can he? Its not like he was bowling all that much faster. Pathan bowled at 128-130, VRV bowled at around 135.

Don't really like either of them, to be honest. I suppose its too late to call up someone like Gagandeep. So I hope Munaf is fit.
 

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah but like I said, Pathan will get smashed, atleast VRV will keep things somewhat tight (tighter than Pathan)... If it was Pathan instead of VRV in the 1st Test, I am pretty sure one or two overs he would've been smashed and next thing we know RSA would've gotten a higher score than 84.
 

Dasa

International Vice-Captain
silentstriker said:
Can he? Its not like he was bowling all that much faster. Pathan bowled at 128-130, VRV bowled at around 135.

Don't really like either of them, to be honest. I suppose its too late to call up someone like Gagandeep. So I hope Munaf is fit.
It's not the speed of the bowler, but the style. You can see that in other bowlers - see the difference between McGrath and Lee for example. VRV tends to use his height to get bounce so the ball is more likely to hurry the batsman a bit, Pathan's bouncers tend to sit up at a good hitting height because of a totally different bowling action. Plus, VRV's stock ball is the 'good length' delivery while Pathan tends to bowl much fuller (in an effort to get swing) for his stock ball. It seems like he's not bowling well, and when he's not bowling well, he can be hit out of the attack in no time.

I don't think either of them are likely to take many wickets, but I think VRV would keep it tight better than Pathan. Obviously Munaf would be my first pick, but if not, I'd rather VRV. Moreso since with Zaheer and Sreesanth bowling well, Pathan won't get the new ball.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Far out Rahul Dravid just retired in my International Cricket Captain campaign. :(

Sorry to go off topic but I'm shattered and I thought I'd share it with my fellow Indian fans. :cry:
 

Dravid

International Captain
Jono said:
Far out Rahul Dravid just retired in my International Cricket Captain campaign. :(

Sorry to go off topic but I'm shattered and I thought I'd share it with my fellow Indian fans. :cry:
Sachin retired with 55 ODI 100s, and 51 test 100s I believe. He was god in that game. Scored a 500 with him once.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Hah 500? That's awesome. My best with Sachin is 403 n.o
I declared to try and win the test against SA, but Kallis was being a dick and batted out a draw.

Why is Dhoni's batting type defensive in ICC? It makes no sense at all.
 

Dravid

International Captain
A lot of things don't make sense in ICC. If I remember correctly Dravids batting style is aggressive.

Also, once I go past 300 with a batsman, I don't declare until they get out, and don't care if it's a draw.
 

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