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Dravid

International Captain
I'm not saying the team should revolve around Pathan, what I'm saying is, if you are going to give Pathan overs, give to him with the new ball, otherwise theres no point. I know bowlers like Munaf and Zaheer are better than him, but they can bowl with the old ball too, where as Pathan cant/
 

Dravid

International Captain
Nnanden said:
Still thought this deserved a comment.
Didn't see it before. Considering Chappell will be coming from over the wicket, it would be easy for Ganguly to play those as they are leaving his body. You need to bowl at his body tb h to see how bad he can play.


Either that, or I missed the point of that post.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Trying to have a dig at what Chappell really thinks of Ganguly. It took me a whole 10 minutes in paint. :p
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Dravid said:
I'm not saying the team should revolve around Pathan, what I'm saying is, if you are going to give Pathan overs, give to him with the new ball, otherwise theres no point. I know bowlers like Munaf and Zaheer are better than him, but they can bowl with the old ball too, where as Pathan cant/
don't you realize that is a serious weakness in an already weak bowler? it's not as if he is absolutely devastating with the new ball that he can demand it each time, if there are bowlers who can handle it better and produce better results, the team management will obviously go to them...you said it in your post, those other bowlers are better and one of the reasons why is because they can handle both the new and the old ball...once again, irfan pathan needs to adjust....
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Dravid said:
I'm not saying the team should revolve around Pathan, what I'm saying is, if you are going to give Pathan overs, give to him with the new ball, otherwise theres no point. I know bowlers like Munaf and Zaheer are better than him, but they can bowl with the old ball too, where as Pathan cant/
Then he shouldn't be in the team. And I wasn't aware that Gregg Chappell comes out in the middle and decides not to give Pathan the ball.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Pathan has proved today that he just isn't good enough to bowl at any sort of international standard at the moment. I'm sure that there are far better bowlers in India than him.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Apparently, Chappell and Frazer spent extra time in the nets with Pathan yesterday trying to help him regain his rhythm and swing. Looks like India will opt for only three seamers with Pathan and VRV battling for the final spot. VRV has bowled far better but maybe they'll see something in practice.

Jaffer/Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni, Pathan/VRV, Kumble, Zaheer, Sreesanth
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Whoever is blaming Greg Chappell for Pathan not getting the new ball is silly. Chappell loves Pathan more than anything, always talking about him etc. I hardly think he's trying to ruin Pathan's career. :unsure:

Irfan just can't bowl at this current point, he has plenty of years to improve. But right now, he just isn't good enough.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Turbinator said:
He is if he can continue contributing with the bat as he has for the past few months...
Again, remember Karachi? He performed with the bat and the new ball, yet you guys still lost by 341 runs. I'm not blaming IKP for the loss, but don't you think he should have done better than 6/167 in the match after being 3/0 after just the first over?
 

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
nightprowler10 said:
Again, remember Karachi? He performed with the bat and the new ball, yet you guys still lost by 341 runs. I'm not blaming IKP for the loss, but don't you think he should have done better than 6/167 in the match after being 3/0 after just the first over?
It's not his fault that others did not perform or play their roles, you cannot expect one guy to win a Test match for you single handedly.
 

nightprowler10

Global Moderator
Turbinator said:
It's not his fault that others did not perform or play their roles, you cannot expect one guy to win a Test match for you single handedly.
Once again, I'm not saying that Pathan was the reason you guys lost. I was merely using his figures from that match to prove that just because he can bat a bit and can do damage with the new ball only, doesn't mean he should get the new ball ahead of others. If you do, you're short changing specialist bowlers just because they can't bat.
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
Did Irfan Pathan open the batting? Seriously?!? :wacko:

I don't see how thats going to help his bowling, for which he would be picked when in form. He desperately needs to find some rhythm with the ball, and for me any greater role with the bat would only be a distraction that would ultimately hurt him in his career.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Dasa said:
Yeah. His highest Test score. Bowled very well in that game as well.
That doesn't mean he should become a test opener. If he wants to open, he needs to go back to Baroda Ranji side and prove himself as an opener there. A test match, let alone one in SA with Pollock and Ntini, is not a place where you learn your trade.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Dravid said:
No, your best new ball bowler should have it, which would be Irfan. Otherwise Kumble would open the bowling, because he's he best bowler in the side.
amazing logic mate. Pathan, in this form, won't even be Bangladesh's best new ball bowler. He was given the newball on a no. of occasions during this bad run of his and every time he has flopped. There is a reason why he is not being given the new ball and AFAIC, it is perfectly valid.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Exactly. Bowling with the new-ball doesn't magically make you put the ball in the right places. If Pathan can't even get his line & length right coming in first-change, why waste the new-ball with him? Sure, he may get confidence from having the new ball and respond well eventually, but it just hurts the team too much. Pathan was a good new-ball bowler earlier because he had good control. Right now, he lacks that.
 

Dravid

International Captain
adharcric said:
Exactly. Bowling with the new-ball doesn't magically make you put the ball in the right places. If Pathan can't even get his line & length right coming in first-change, why waste the new-ball with him? Sure, he may get confidence from having the new ball and respond well eventually, but it just hurts the team too much. Pathan was a good new-ball bowler earlier because he had good control. Right now, he lacks that.
Shouldn't you be asleep?
 

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