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***Official*** India in Pakistan

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
irfan said:
Well all this talk of Dravid opening and taking one for the team, I don't see why Laxman shouldnt open. He was originally an opener when he started, granted he didnt have too much success but I think it's time for him to reinvigorate himself up there facing the new ball. Temperamental-wise he should be the ideal foil to Shewag's blazing strokeplay.

the indian batting lineup shud be sehwag,laxman,dravid,sachin,yuvraj,ganguly

Congrats to Pakistan who have thrashed two quality opponents in succession, especially their come-from-nowhere wins here and in Multan against Eng.

My Ideal Pak XI -Test in English conditions
1. S Butt
2. Y Hameed
3. Y Khan
4. M Yousuf
5. I Ul-Haq
6. S Afridi
7. K Akmal
8. R Naved - swing
9. S Akhtar - pace
10 M Asif - seam
11 D Kaneria
i think Afridi & razzaq could battle it out for that #6 position
 

danish

U19 12th Man
aussie said:
Quite a few Pakistani players have other jobs other than playing Cricket as their salaries from the Cricket board are not quite enough to give them a worry free comfortable life. Only top bracket players like Inzamam, M.Yousuf, Shahid Afridi etc have wages provided by the board that are enough to give them an enjoyable lifestyle, and of top of that, most of these players have sponsership deals. In this case its probably a bank manager who's fed up of Arshad Khan taking days off work but not actually making it into the Pakistani side.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Sanz said:
No, Chappell has not done anything better or worse than Wright. India's pace bowling is AWEFUL. Fielding isn't any different..from Wright's time either.
Read what I'm saying. Chappell is putting more emphasis on fitness and fielding, the results may not be there yet.
Sanz said:
Raina..Raina Raina..what are you harping about..He didn't even play in a single game against South Africa. Besides how can you give credit to Chappell for his fielding, like Kaif and Yuvraj he was a better fielder before he even came into the Indian team. He hasn't done much as a batsman. If he was so good then why did he not play asingle game against South Africa. Let me guess..Rotation Policy CRAP.
Since you can't dramatically improve the fielding of certain players, the way to go is providing opportunites to guys like Raina. The team fielding improves more by change in personnel than improvement in individual fielding, at this level of cricket. As soon as Chappell came in, a number of young talents were given opportunities.
Sanz said:
VR Singh, hasn't even played a single game, so stop claiming as if he is the next Shane Bond. RP Singh and Santh bowl in 130s only, so does Pathan. Please talk to me when they top Nehra's and Zaheer's pace in the world cup. As for VRV Singh coming into spotlight because of Chappell, yeah even Sachin Tendulkar came into spotlight because of him.8-) 8-). SreeSanth is ordinary and nowhere as good as Balaji.
I never mentioned RP Singh's pace ... and Sreesanth went into the low 140s against Sri Lanka. I'm not saying anything about how good these players, we'll have to wait a year to assess that. But we are definitely starting to see a shift towards emphasis on pace.
Sanz said:
Yeah Pathan's confidence has boosted because of Chappell, How about Murali Karthik performance, How about Kumble away performance in Pak, Pathan's bowling, Laxman's batting, Sehwag's batting, SRT's batting...let me guees that is the players fault. Chappell cant be blamed for that.
Yeah Chappell can be blamed for that. He's also making progress for this team.
Sanz said:
Yes you are blind to chappel's mistake and you will see the result in next two years. I can see it, It has already started, first against SA in ODIs and now against Pak.
What is a reasonable success ? IMO Losing series in Pakistan isn't reasonable, Draw i nODI serie against SA is. Rahul does fit the description though. Unfortunately Chappell doesn't. He is hardly professional.
If they are sensationalist fans then you are no better for applauding Chappell's finger show or infact wanting to be a part of it.
If you're not capable of considering alternative viewpoints, there's no point mulling over this right now when there isn't much more we can discuss. Better to wait till a few more series pass so a better assessment can be made. All the best to Chappell and India.
 

Arumpnoo

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Soar Losing

I can not believe that on the forum Indians are blaming green top pitch for loss when they almost begged Pakistan for this pitch after first two test matches. Greg Chapell's remarks about Shoaib are also pathetic. Its soar grapes. Pakistan beat India fair and square and I hope that my countryman start looking into matters relating to our team and on field rather than finding excuses for such an embarrasing loss. Anyways, its just cricket.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Sure, this wicket might have been a green-top. But if India wants to be a serious contender for the 2007 World Cup, we need to excel on green-tops, turning tracks and flat tracks ... like the Aussies. Pakistan had every right to prepare a green-top, that's what home-advantage is about. I'm glad they did it, it exposed our weaknesses. Better than just playing on favorable tracks and not realizing that we have serious issues with our team. This better be a wake-up call for India. I think our batsmen are good enough to play on green-tops, but the bowling attack was horrendous.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
adharcric said:
If you're not capable of considering alternative viewpoints, there's no point mulling over this right now when there isn't much more we can discuss. Better to wait till a few more series pass so a better assessment can be made. All the best to Chappell and India.
That's rich coming from someone who wants to join Finger show with Chappel. 8-) 8-)
 

Arumpnoo

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Jono said:
Who is blaming the green pitch?
Man I have read so many posts saying that Pakistan made dusty pitches for the two tests and than build green top for the last on purpose. This is the most lamest excuse I have ever heard.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Arumpnoo said:
Man I have read so many posts saying that Pakistan made dusty pitches for the two tests and than build green top for the last on purpose. This is the most lamest excuse I have ever heard.
yes that is speculation. it's not an excuse, it's pitch-preparing strategy that the home team can use. i'm not saying pakistan didn't deserve their win 100%, just talking about what the strategy might have been for preparing pitches.
 

adharcric

International Coach
So, the one-dayers are coming soon ... preferred lineups?

India
Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohammad Kaif
Rahul Dravid*
Yuvraj Singh
Mahendra Singh Dhoni+
Irfan Pathan
Ajit Agarkar
Harbhajan Singh
Rudra Pratap Singh
Sreesanth
Supersub: Suresh Raina

Pakistan
Salman Butt
Kamran Akmal+
Younis Khan
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq*
Shoaib Malik
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rana Naved-ul-Hasan
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif
Supersub: Arshad Khan
 
Arumpnoo said:
Pakistan beat India fair and square and I hope that my countryman start looking into matters relating to our team and on field rather than finding excuses for such an embarrasing loss. Anyways, its just cricket.
Your team one the test series, congrats!! I salute the great bowling by Pak bowlers and the good captaincy by Younis khan.

But i will still criticize the PCB for messing up the pitches, and i'm sure that had the wickets been supporting throughout, India would have emerged victorious, probably by 2-0 margin!
 

pug

U19 Vice-Captain
adharcric said:
So, the one-dayers are coming soon ... preferred lineups?

India
Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohammad Kaif
Rahul Dravid*
Yuvraj Singh
Mahendra Singh Dhoni+
Irfan Pathan
Ajit Agarkar
Harbhajan Singh
Rudra Pratap Singh
Sreesanth

Supersub: Suresh Raina
I would replace one of them (Agarkar) with Zaheer Khan. I know, it potentially weakens the batting but I don't believe Agarkar's batting is so much better than Zaheer's that it offsets his weaker bowling. I might give Murali Kartik a go since Harbhajan has appeared quite harmless so far. Also, I wouldn't mind experimenting Pathan/Dhoni up the order in case of an early wicket.
 
adharcric said:
So, the one-dayers are coming soon ... preferred lineups?

India
Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Mohammad Kaif
Rahul Dravid*
Yuvraj Singh
Mahendra Singh Dhoni+
Irfan Pathan
Ajit Agarkar
Harbhajan Singh
Rudra Pratap Singh
Sreesanth
Supersub: Suresh Raina

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Why isn't Khan isn't in the side??

I would have ZK in the side in place of Ajit.

Harb has been offcolor so far, would prefer another player, maybe Kartik.Too bad that Powar isn't in team, otherwise he should have been in my playing eleven.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
So, the one-dayers are coming soon ... preferred lineups?
The Pakistan lineup is a good one, and may be expected, but swap Afridi with Akmal. Afridi's just a hitter, and a very explosive one, so he'll be a lot more effective at the top of the order. Akmal is more of a pure middle-order batsman, and he'd be a lot better at position six or seven rather than facing the new ball. Otherwise, it's a good team, with a good balance of skill and value addition.

That value addition, however, is missing in the Indian side. You've got a middle-order batsman opening the innings, even though he's quietened down a lot since the 90's and would serve the team better at number four than opening. You've got a pace spearhead who's underpowered and inconsistent. That team will depend a lot on the super-sub, and if they're in a trap, they may be a batsman or bowler short. That's what will happen with the options provided for the series. A few improvements we can have would be replacing Kaif with Gambhir (let's persist with a genuine opening combination, shall we?) and have Zaheer as a strike bowler in place of Agarkar– he's still the best choice. They could, however, get a more versatile combination with Munaf Patel in the team.
 

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