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Flem274*
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I'm not sure where I stand on Martin. He's a bit like Flintoff;often promises but rarely delivers the whole deal. Its been ages since he tore a team to pieces. The 2008 onwards version of Martin is far more consistent, and can actualy bowl well outside of NZ and SA, but whilst he's more consistent he hasn't torn the opposition to pieces like he used to be able to do.
Now he's a solid workhorse, not so much an unpredictable anymore.
I can see him getting 200 wickets, but I can't see him averaging under 30 in tests, and I still think he'd be useless in ODIs.
Now he's a solid workhorse, not so much an unpredictable anymore.
I can see him getting 200 wickets, but I can't see him averaging under 30 in tests, and I still think he'd be useless in ODIs.
He could still be a good foil for Bond...
Flem274*
123/5
Except if Bond returns, so will Tuffey, who can do the same job but better.
Actualy we'd possibly gain three international class bowlers if the ICL collapsed. Thats a lot.
I actualy think O'Brien and Franklin would be better new ball bowlers than Martin, who is also imo quite capable of being third seamer. O'Brien took a lot of wickets last year, generally with the old ball, so I'd be curious to see how he goes with a new one.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Martin's only 'torn a team to pieces' 3 or 4 times in his career as far as I can remember. When it happened he was getting enormous away-swing to the left handers, which he hasn't generated quite as much of lately.
Very happy with the consistent 3/90 type bowler he's turned into as it's exactly what NZ need in the absence of an out-and-out strike bowler.
Definitely a no-no for ODIs though.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Bond, Tuffey and who? Adams?
I know Adams had one amazing season domestically in NZ, but he's never looked a semi-decent test bowler when I've seen him and he's getting on a bit too I think. Maybe an outside chance for ODIs if he proved himself domestically.
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Flem274*
123/5
3/90 generally means the other team have 400 though. 
but I see your point.
He's solid, but he shouldn't be our main strike bowler these days, because he's not that kind of bowler anymore. That should be a job for Franklin, O'Brien, Butler or (dare I say it) Bond or Tuffey.
Bloody handy guy to have when India are batting out draws for three days though, imagine what that would do to our old line up of Nash, Allott, Cairns, Vettori?
but I see your point.He's solid, but he shouldn't be our main strike bowler these days, because he's not that kind of bowler anymore. That should be a job for Franklin, O'Brien, Butler or (dare I say it) Bond or Tuffey.
Bloody handy guy to have when India are batting out draws for three days though, imagine what that would do to our old line up of Nash, Allott, Cairns, Vettori?
Flem274*
123/5
He only played one test and pwnd England in it.
He'd be international class, but not in the league of the other two imo. Actualy think he'd be better suited to tests than ODIs, because I suspect he'd be a bit of a greentop bully.
it's not won till it's won...
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, no-one really fills that 'main strike bowler' role. We're stuck with Mr. Consistent Martin and O'Brien, and Franklin who is good on his day and should continue to improve his form. So yeah, the other team will get 350-400 most of the time, but we have few other options!3/90 generally means the other team have 400 though.
He's solid, but he shouldn't be our main strike bowler these days, because he's not that kind of bowler anymore. That should be a job for Franklin, O'Brien, Butler or (dare I say it) Bond or Tuffey.
Bloody handy guy to have when India are batting out draws for three days though, imagine what that would do to our old line up of Nash, Allott, Cairns, Vettori?
Agree that maintaining fitness is a hugely underrated trait of a bowler! At times for Martin there has almost literally been no-one else fit.
Didn't he only play one test and get a 5-for or something like that?
Flem274*
123/5
Yep, against England.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, guess Adams did do that - can't remember the match to be honest. More meant that from what I've seen of his bowling, which was admittedly in ODIs and so should be taken with a grain of salt, he didn't look like a good test bowler. Also, imagine he's around 32-ish now and may have lost some pace.
He's welcome to prove me wrong of course.
He's welcome to prove me wrong of course.