*Official* India in Australia Thread

[Mister Wright]

Gilchrist played a loose and lazy 'swat' at a straight break aimed at leg stump.

Gilchrist got out playing the sweep, a shot, I thnk, he should give up.

 

[masterblaster]

Last time India toured Australia, and when Sachin was at the MCG after training, I had a little talk with him about these 'crooked decisions'.

Sachin was a gem, and so diplomatic. He just laughed it off and said, 'Well, that's all just part and parcel of the game. I go out there and the only thing I think about is my batting, not somebody else's umpiring.' 'These things happen all the time, and Im not too fussed about it'.

Even in his various biographies and interviews Sachin says these very words. I think the Indian fans are the ones who havent gotten over it.

I know for sure that Sachin has.

 

[V Reddy]

Actually most teams have been beaten by great disclipined bowling and working to a plan, formidable batting, and a mental 'steel' that Australia have had a reputation for under S.Waugh.
What I said was correct.

Langer was out LBW to a beauty.
Hayden played a loose drive and was caught.
Ponting played a lazy square cut, he should have left the ball a foot outside the off stump alone.
Martyn played a loose drive to a leg break pitched in the rough a foot outside off stump.
So did Steve Waugh.
Gilchrist played a loose and lazy 'swat' at a straight break aimed at leg stump.

We outscored India in the 1st innings, and they lost 6 wickets chasing a moderate target in the 2nd - ergo, we did not score enough runs in our 2nd innings.

Ermm... i think you will find that innnings . In the first innings

Laxman out cutting a wide ball which he should have left
Dravid pulled a ball which was above his head ,etc,. Only one or two in every innings is out to good bowling. Instead it is better to mention who had more luck in the test match.

Ponting was out three times on 0 in the second innings, three early chances in first innings , Gilchrist stumping missed, Laxman catch dropped, Chopra not given out,etc,. You will find that luck was overwhelmingly in favour of Aus but they still lost 8D

 

[Salamuddin]

Is the problem really the batting ?

In Brisbane, Australia had India 3-62, then let them make 400+.

In Adelaide, Australia had India 4-85, then let them make 500+ ?

 

[CDAK]

Last time India toured Australia, and when Sachin was at the MCG after training, I had a little talk with him about these 'crooked decisions'.

Sachin was a gem, and so diplomatic. He just laughed it off and said, 'Well, that's all just part and parcel of the game. I go out there and the only thing I think about is my batting, not somebody else's umpiring.' 'These things happen all the time, and Im not too fussed about it'.

Even in his various biographies and interviews Sachin says these very words. I think the Indian fans are the ones who havent gotten over it.

I know for sure that Sachin has.

Nobody questions Sachin's diplomacy and his usual comments to keep away from controversies" I concentrate on my batting only..".. But this year is special for him, as he faced some severe criticism( Schumacker's Fiat ferrari scam) from the billions who adore him. People questioned the Govt Policy to waive the 120% tax for Sachin's car( who already having more than 10 cars)...he had to face court-trial at 3 places(i don't know whether it happened or postponed)

 

[amits]

i agree with CDAK.

the aussie batting isnt strong enough. india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.

for australia, its team effort, which is there and also the fact that the players have lots of support from the other end. playing against weaker teams has helped the aussie batsman fatten their averages. against australia, lots of test teams except india and sri lanka, have come with weaker teams and weak bowling attacks.

australian batting isnt that strong as its called. the aussie batting is prone to collapses. they were bowled out for just 196 against a second-string indian bowling attack. even zimbabwe could have hit 200+ against our second-string attack.

austrlaian bowling isnt strong as well. bowlers like bracken and willams r better than mcgrath and lee. australia r just a 2 bowler bowling line-up with bichel and gillespie. going by current form, the indian bowling attack is much better than the aussie bowling.

the only thing which gives aus the edge is the fielding as india, have done lots of misfields and dropped catches and australia, rarely misfield.

 

[amits]

Is the problem really the batting ?

In Brisbane, Australia had India 3-62, then let them make 400+.

In Adelaide, Australia had India 4-85, then let them make 500+ ?

next time, aus will have india for something like 5-100 and then india will make 600+

 

[Linda]

the aussie batting isnt strong enough. india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.
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australian batting isnt that strong as its called. the aussie batting is prone to collapses. they were bowled out for just 196 against a second-string indian bowling attack. even zimbabwe could have hit 200+ against our second-string attack.

I am interested to know your thoughts on this question amits...
If Waugh, Hayden, Ponting, Langer, Martyn and Gilchrist were to travel to India and decide to live there, do you, in your opinion, think that they would be able to get into the current Indian side?

 

[Mister Wright]

playing against weaker teams has helped the aussie batsman fatten their averages. against australia, lots of test teams except india and sri lanka, have come with weaker teams and weak bowling attacks.

Langer:

Career avg in aus: 44.97
v India in Aus: 53.11

Hayden:

Career avg in Aus: 62.15
v India in Aus: 41.25 v India: 79.33

Ponting:

Career avg in Aus: 53.35
v India in Aus: 103.00

Martyn:

Career avg in Aus: 46.28
v India in Aus: 58.66

Waugh:

Career avg in Aus: 47.61
v India in Aus: 35.83

Katich:

Career avg in Aus: 43.50
v India in Aus: 40.66

So which teams were inflating the averages of the Aussie batsman at home? Looks like India to me...

The only batsman with a significatly worse average against India at home is Steve Waugh and it can be argued that most of those test matches were against an attack other than the current ones.

 

[age_master]

i agree with CDAK.

the aussie batting isnt strong enough. india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.

for australia, its team effort, which is there and also the fact that the players have lots of support from the other end. playing against weaker teams has helped the aussie batsman fatten their averages. against australia, lots of test teams except india and sri lanka, have come with weaker teams and weak bowling attacks.

australian batting isnt that strong as its called. the aussie batting is prone to collapses. they were bowled out for just 196 against a second-string indian bowling attack. even zimbabwe could have hit 200+ against our second-string attack.

austrlaian bowling isnt strong as well. bowlers like bracken and willams r better than mcgrath and lee. australia r just a 2 bowler bowling line-up with bichel and gillespie. going by current form, the indian bowling attack is much better than the aussie bowling.

the only thing which gives aus the edge is the fielding as india, have done lots of misfields and dropped catches and australia, rarely misfield.

one bad innings hardly makes a batting line up bad....

 

[luckyeddie]

i agree with CDAK.

the aussie batting isnt strong enough. india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.

Now I know that you are not being serious.

I suppose in VVS Laxman they have the finest slip-fielder too?

 

[masterblaster]

**Sigh**

 

[masterblaster]

I suddenly don't like India's chances of winning this Boxing Day.

 

[iamdavid]

I suddenly don't like India's chances of winning this Boxing Day.

Why the sudden change of heart ?

 

[masterblaster]

I seriously hope they win, but it's just so hard to beat Australia. It took a superhuman effort from Rahul and Laxman and Ajit, but I don't think that superhuman efforts can be repeated time and time again.

If only the Indian fan's would just get a life. Cricket is not the be all and end all of life.

 

[Eclipse]

i agree with CDAK.

the aussie batting isnt strong enough. india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.

lol amit's are you crazy!! ohh wait that a stupid question you are.

Australia still has the strongest batting line up in the world by a mile if you ask me.

There is no way India could have scored 550 odd at over 4 run's an over like Australia did at Adelade and do regualrly all over the world.
Not only do Australia consistantly post higer scores than India and do them alot faster but all of our batsman apart form a few certain Indervidualy have much better avrages and strike rates.

India's bowling is not that crash hot ether one of the only reason's India won in Adelaide was because Australia scored there run's so fast and opend the game up to a result. If they had racked that first innings 550 odd up at 3.5 rather than 4+ run's an over India would have run out of time to win most likley.

 

[Mister Wright]

lol amit's are you crazy!! ohh wait that a stupid question you are.

Australia still has the strongest batting line up in the world by a mile if you ask me.

There is no way India could have scored 550 odd at over 4 run's an over like Australia did at Adelade and do regualrly all over the world.
Not only do Australia consistantly post higer scores than India and do them alot faster but all of our batsman apart form a few certain Indervidualy have much better avrages and strike rates.

India's bowling is not that crash hot ether one of the only reason's India won in Adelaide was because Australia scored there run's so fast and opend the game up to a result. If they had racked that first innings 550 odd up at 3.5 rather than 4+ run's an over India would have run out of time to win most likley.

Don't forget India scored their runs fairly quickly in the first innings too which also set up a chance of victory. They could have easily scored 500+ runs and finished their first innings well into the fourth day, then a result would have been less likely. Rather they scored there runs quickly and bowled much better than they did in the first innings and were the better team for 3 1/2 days of the test match which means they deserved to win.

Their true test will be if they can back it up and play positive, aggresive cricket again for the next test.

 

[Mister Wright]

lol amit's are you crazy!! ohh wait that a stupid question you are.

Australia still has the strongest batting line up in the world by a mile if you ask me.

There is no way India could have scored 550 odd at over 4 run's an over like Australia did at Adelade and do regualrly all over the world.
Not only do Australia consistantly post higer scores than India and do them alot faster but all of our batsman apart form a few certain Indervidualy have much better avrages and strike rates.

India's bowling is not that crash hot ether one of the only reason's India won in Adelaide was because Australia scored there run's so fast and opend the game up to a result. If they had racked that first innings 550 odd up at 3.5 rather than 4+ run's an over India would have run out of time to win most likley.

Don't forget India scored their runs fairly quickly in the first innings too which also set up a chance of victory. They could have easily scored 500+ runs and finished their first innings well into the fourth day, then a result would have been less likely. Rather, they scored their runs quickly and bowled much better than they did in the first innings and were the better team for 3 1/2 days of the test match which means they deserved to win.

Their true test will be if they can back it up and play positive, aggresive cricket again for the next test.

 

[Eclipse]

India scored there run's at what I would consider a normal rate nothing like what Australia do.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

india has the best batting and the best bowling attack in the world.

Agreed. By the mere fact that VVS Laxman is greater than Lara and Ponting combined and Tendulkar is clearly the greatest batsman of all time.

Furthermore, I believe that the Indian bowling attack is better than any in the history of the game. AA, Zaheer Khan, Nehra, Harbhajan, Kumble... those names make you wonder, Holding who? Marshall, Garner? Roberts - don't make me laugh?

India has the best player pool on the planet and is the greatest team of all-time. What's that? Results? Bah... ignore results... they mean nothing!