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***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015
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Spark
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he does not look an international standard batsman, frankly
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Wouldn't that mean you open him?
Swingpanzee
International Regular
boooooooo
cnerd123
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In these conditions with our top order bats he's going to get plenty of time at number 4 anyways. Less risk of him nicking off early if at 4, and it's not like Rayudu/Binny/whoever will be batting at 4 will do a better job.
Rayudu isn't going to be better or worse at 4. I'd argue he'd be worse cause he's not good at rotating the strike, but clearly he'll struggle against good pace bowling early up as well. So if he's going to be a mediocre performer either way, I'd rather it be early in the innings.
Binny at 4 is interesting. I don't think he's better than Rayudu. He's decent but Rayudu is capable of scoring tons at this level, I don't think Binny is quite there with the bat.
Rayudu isn't going to be better or worse at 4. I'd argue he'd be worse cause he's not good at rotating the strike, but clearly he'll struggle against good pace bowling early up as well. So if he's going to be a mediocre performer either way, I'd rather it be early in the innings.
Binny at 4 is interesting. I don't think he's better than Rayudu. He's decent but Rayudu is capable of scoring tons at this level, I don't think Binny is quite there with the bat.
anil1405
International Captain
Captain's tactics.
Edit: And the captain has been not so inspirational with his tactics off late.
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Have to give him a bit of a buffer against the swing.
Though I guess you're not going to get much of a buffer if you have dhawan.
Contra
Cricketer Of The Year
I think with Rohit and Rahane opening we can bank on them playing out 6-7 overs upfront as compared to Dhawan who just looks a walking wicket. If there is one thing Rohit is good at it's playing out the first 5-10 overs which is a real plus (especially when batting first) unless we are chasing 300 or something.
cnerd123
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The first 20 overs are basically about survival in these conditions, and I'd rather Kohli walk in towards the end of that than the beginning. We don't need him to be the recipient of an unplayable ball when someone like Rayudu is perfectly sacrifice-able.
If we are off to a good start and the pitch looks flat then send Kohli in early. If it's still moving about and we are trying to establish a platform, send Rayudu in.
Ideally we would have Pujara in the ODI side to do the job Rayudu is doing now.
If we are off to a good start and the pitch looks flat then send Kohli in early. If it's still moving about and we are trying to establish a platform, send Rayudu in.
Ideally we would have Pujara in the ODI side to do the job Rayudu is doing now.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
With the Indian seamers and flat pitches I think this will be happening quite often
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The thing is, with ODIs, you really want your best batsmen out first. It just works better that way. England have always tried to "save their best for later" and it never works out for them. India were at their best with Sachin, Sehwag, and Ganguly/Gambhir in the top 3.
This, of course, does not extend to specialist finishers/chasers.
This, of course, does not extend to specialist finishers/chasers.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Ideally, they would rid Dhawan to get another batter in but I am not sure who can be good in these conditions.. You would definitely need a good batsman at 4 if you are going to win the WC... It is a key position in ODIs... I would rather bat Raina at 4, Dhoni at 5 and stock up with a lower middle order of Binny, Jadeja, Ashwin and Bhuvi.. You might just get 3 batsmen and 3 bowlers worth of output from that group.. Add in Shani and perhaps Ishant, it is the best we can do in the circumstances, I fear 
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Neither do I, but I dont see it going beyond a semifinal thrashing at best... And that is just depressing, given how much we build towards the WC here in India..
Riggins
International Captain
Because it's way ****ing harder to bat in the middle order than at the top of the order in ODI's. It's not rocket science, it's the same reason De Villiers bats 4/5 for SA and Dhoni comes in later on. Yes it means they have less time to build an innings but if they are at the top and don't make 100+ then you get guys coming in behind them who just aren't good enough to take the game away. Batting in the top 3 in ODI's is the easiest gig in the format, so it giving it to the less elite players gives them far more of a chance to succeed. Pete ****ing Forrest made an ODI hundred opening the batting for ****s sake.
Maybe your less chance of making 400 but your sure as **** less likely to be rolled.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Yes the ball will swing for roughly the first 20 overs, but there'll be fewer slips to begin with and there'll be a bowling change after 10 overs. Most teams' third seamer gets significantly less movement than their opening bowlers - this is usually the team's specialist death bowler. Get through the first 10 and you get to this bowler. Get through 15-20 and you'll either see the spinner or the team's 5th bowling option. That's piss easy.
I'd back Kohli to get through 5-10 overs of quality bowling (i.e. the opening bowlers) on most occasions. Especially when he knows that's all he has to do before it becomes much easier.