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*Official* First Test (Edgbaston, Birmingham) 16–20 June

Burgey

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It's very conservative cricket but there is a logic to it. I do wonder how it would have gone had England not been so... generous... in some of their batting though
Yeah its a bit like the India 2004 plan but taken to another level again. I can see why they’re doing it but it does seem counter intuitive.
 

Adders

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All anyone’s done is say the deck is flat, that and rightly call out the back fraud over rated batsmen.

then it’s been suggested in reply it’s actually the fusarium deck from 1972.

It’s been a weird day because the bowling has been very patchy on a generally unhelpful deck, but so has the batting. That’s the price you buy it at though.
Have you not seen lottery and jfrys contributions? No idea who either of the two ****wits are never seen them before I dont think.......but fmd seriously dire and would make Mother Teresa fire up so I think we can cut FJ some slack here
 

Socerer 01

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Have you not seen lottery and jfrys contributions? No idea who either of the two ****wits are never seen them before I dont think.......but fmd seriously dire and would make Mother Teresa fire up so I think we can cut FJ some slack here
the lottery dude is clearly just a troll, i remember him making troll posts in another test in the past
 

Spark

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Yeah its a bit like the India 2004 plan but taken to another level again. I can see why they’re doing it but it does seem counter intuitive.
I do appreciate that this generation of Australian cricket has not gotten caught up in nonsense about "aggression" and egotistical cricket away from home, and acknowledging that you have to adapt to the rhythm of the conditions. I'm still not sure they've gotten it right here. England really have mostly been the architects of their own demise.
 

Burgey

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Tbh Broad has batted for years with the approach everyone else in the side is now taking
 

grecian

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You already hungover mate? Because even by your standards you’re being a surly bell end.
okay, you sure I'm being the surly bell-end? Admittedly by your standards you are just being your normal utter crim dickhead, so I'd not accuse you have changing personality,
 

Anil

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This is a pretty good total for England now and as long as Root is in the middle, they should get to 400 comfortably.
 

Spark

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Chicken/egg innit. If England didn't decide they were doing this you'd do something different.
Oh yeah absolutely. Just don't know whether they've quite decided on the right thing.

I do think the fields and plans Lyon has set have been quite well thought out. Clearly they've learned a lot from the subcontinental tours, I don't think the Lyon of say 2019 would bowl with anywhere this much guile.

And I don't want to be a broken record but the pitch really determines most of this. It's a lot easier to set three slips, a gully, and orthodox ring fielders when the ball is moving off the seam consistently compared to, well, not doing that.
 

Burgey

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I do appreciate that this generation of Australian cricket has not gotten caught up in nonsense about "aggression" and egotistical cricket away from home, and acknowledging that you have to adapt to the rhythm of the conditions. I'm still not sure they've gotten it right here. England really have mostly been the architects of their own demise.
Yeah but I don’t know if they’ve not got it right because of the fields/ approach or whether they’ve just bowled two sides of the deck. First sessions especially it felt like there were two balls an over which were way too straight. I also wonder if the quicks should have mixed their pace up a bit more to break up the rhythm a bit
 

Spark

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Yeah but I don’t know if they’ve not got it right because of the fields/ approach or whether they’ve just bowled two sides of the deck. First sessions especially it felt like there were two balls an over which were way too straight
Yeah it felt a bit like the last session of Day 4 last week where they just sprayed it all over. They didn't have the excuse of a deck offering nothing then too.
 

Red_Ink_Squid

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Oh yeah absolutely. Just don't know whether they've quite decided on the right thing.

I do think the fields and plans Lyon has set have been quite well thought out. Clearly they've learned a lot from the subcontinental tours, I don't think the Lyon of say 2019 would bowl with anywhere this much guile.

And I don't want to be a broken record but the pitch really determines most of this. It's a lot easier to set three slips, a gully, and orthodox ring fielders when the ball is moving off the seam consistently compared to, well, not doing that.
Lyon being legitimately quite good always makes me sad.
 

wpdavid

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Well that wasn't great Mo
Agreed. Bairstow doing it is one thing; he's already made 78 and spent last summer making great scores batting like this. Moeen, less so. hasn't made a decent test score for eons and had only faced 17 balls today. Not very smart imo. I'll happily take him averaging 20 with the bat in this series, but today was a situation when he should have made 50 odd to counter the times when he's coming in at 120 for 6 and the balls moving all over the place.
 

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