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*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

Neil Pickup

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steds said:
:laugh: When you're hot, you're hot. When you're not, you sell 3 fantastically underrated players (plus Damien Francis) for less than they're worth and bring in a permanently crocked keeper, a centre back who no one's ever heard of and a striker who costs 20% of his transfer fee per goal he scores a season instead.
I think that takes out "worst transfer dealings of the summer" quite nicely.
 

grecian

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Neil Pickup said:
Didn't go - spent the afternoon turning down LBW appeals in Newton Abbot.

I'm reliably informed (i.e. I know) that Santos Gaia weren't playing today - it's Fulham being not very organised/doing no research. Patrice Ada (trialist) partnered Jon Richardson at centre back - and by all accounts did enough to ensure we won't be investing any more time in looking at him.
Oh thanks, thought it was odd, well if Ada didn't do well we're somewhat struggling for centre-backs aren't we?

Rico being back leaves me with mixed feelings, because I remember him from last time. Ok if hes fit, but an old guy who is picking up injuries, not so sure8-)
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
The most tipped moves for Manchester United are now...

Ruud van Nistelrooy to Real Madrid for approximately £12m (now that's cheap for a player of his calibre)
Fernando Torres to Manchester United for approximately £23-25m from Athletico Madrid
Patrick Vieira to Manchester United from Juventus
Michael Carrick to Manchester United from Tottenham Hotspurs
Possibly with John O'Shea (and £10m) going the other way to Tottenham Hotspurs, although apparently this deal has been rejected.
Tomasz Kuszczak to Manchester United from West Brom

Still missing that future Paul Scholes replacement. Other players we've recently been linked to include Jermaine Defoe.

Van der Sar expected to get a one year extension - his current contract ends after this season.

Upcoming star Giuseppe Rossi may be given a loan spell at West Brom should Torres be signed up, with Rooney, Saha and Solskjaer filling the remaining three striker positions. This would help with the potential signing of Tomasz Kuszczak from West Brom.

Possible lineup next season for Man U...

Code:
                 Van der Sar                ---backed by Kuszczak

Neville     Ferdinand    Vidic    Heinze    ---backed by O'Shea, Piqué, Brown, Silvestre, Evra

                   Vieira                   ---backed by Carrick, O'Shea

Ronaldo           Scholes          Giggs    ---backed by Park, Smith, Richardson, Fletcher

            Rooney      Torres              ---backed by Saha, Solskjaer, Rossi
Hell, I'll take that. Still think we should get a replacement for Scholes though... at least someone to train up for it.

With regards to Vieira, I can't see Man U shelling out a lot of cash for a player as old as he is, so it'll be interesting to see if we can get him or not. Have to wait and see.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Loony BoB said:
The most tipped moves for Manchester United are now...

Ruud van Nistelrooy to Real Madrid for approximately £12m (now that's cheap for a player of his calibre)
Fernando Torres to Manchester United for approximately £23-25m from Athletico Madrid
Patrick Vieira to Manchester United from Juventus
Michael Carrick to Manchester United from Tottenham Hotspurs

Possibly with John O'Shea (and £10m) going the other way to Tottenham Hotspurs, although apparently this deal has been rejected.
Tomasz Kuszczak to Manchester United from West Brom

Still missing that future Paul Scholes replacement. Other players we've recently been linked to include Jermaine Defoe.

Van der Sar expected to get a one year extension - his current contract ends after this season.

Upcoming star Giuseppe Rossi may be given a loan spell at West Brom should Torres be signed up, with Rooney, Saha and Solskjaer filling the remaining three striker positions. This would help with the potential signing of Tomasz Kuszczak from West Brom.

Possible lineup next season for Man U...

Code:
                 Van der Sar                ---backed by Kuszczak

Neville     Ferdinand    Vidic    Heinze    ---backed by O'Shea, Piqué, Brown, Silvestre, Evra

                   Vieira                   ---backed by Carrick, O'Shea

Ronaldo           Scholes          Giggs    ---backed by Park, Smith, Richardson, Fletcher

            Rooney      Torres              ---backed by Saha, Solskjaer, Rossi
Hell, I'll take that. Still think we should get a replacement for Scholes though... at least someone to train up for it.

With regards to Vieira, I can't see Man U shelling out a lot of cash for a player as old as he is, so it'll be interesting to see if we can get him or not. Have to wait and see.
RVN is 30 now tho or soon will be so £12mill isn't a bad price, especially considering he had the cruciate rebuild before he joined you. It does, to me tho, show a lack of forward planning. If you were going to flog him, better to have done so a couple of years ago when you'd probably have got twice that for a player at his peak.

You'd be paying top dollar for Torres, but he does look pretty darn good. Not sure about him & Rooney together tho.

Vieira joined Man U is like Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, really hope it won't happen.

Carrick is hugely overrated, no sort of holding midfielder at all. T*ttenham will be rubbing their hands in glee at the (mooted) £20+ mill.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Hey Luis Figo joined Real Madrid from Barcelona, so it is hardly surprising to see club favourites join their biggest rivals (and I think the Real-Barca rivalary is greater then United - Arsenal, at least politicality) and Arsenal were not afraid to go and sign Sol Campbell from your biggest rivals, so it would be a similar thing if Vieria were to join MU.

Except that I don't think pig heads will be thrown at Vieria by Arsenal supporters. Still nothing surprises me know in football.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Craig said:
Hey Luis Figo joined Real Madrid from Barcelona, so it is hardly surprising to see club favourites join their biggest rivals (and I think the Real-Barca rivalary is greater then United - Arsenal, at least politicality) and Arsenal were not afraid to go and sign Sol Campbell from your biggest rivals, so it would be a similar thing if Vieria were to join MU.

Except that I don't think pig heads will be thrown at Vieria by Arsenal supporters. Still nothing surprises me know in football.
Oh yeah, I didn't say it's impossible or even unlikely, I'd just feel personally disappointed in big Pat. He's better than that. :p
 

Neil Pickup

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grecian said:
Oh thanks, thought it was odd, well if Ada didn't do well we're somewhat struggling for centre-backs aren't we?

Rico being back leaves me with mixed feelings, because I remember him from last time. Ok if hes fit, but an old guy who is picking up injuries, not so sure8-)
We have Rico, Toddy and Danny Seaborne, and Clay can play there if needs be. A fourth would be handy, but it ain't critical yet I don't think.
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
BoyBrumby said:
RVN is 30 now tho or soon will be so £12mill isn't a bad price, especially considering he had the cruciate rebuild before he joined you. It does, to me tho, show a lack of forward planning. If you were going to flog him, better to have done so a couple of years ago when you'd probably have got twice that for a player at his peak.

You'd be paying top dollar for Torres, but he does look pretty darn good. Not sure about him & Rooney together tho.
The sign of a real top team is not that they sell a player at his peak, but can afford to milk a player for all he's worth while he's at his peak and sell him off when he's starting to get past it. It's obviously better to get a player when he's peaking than to not have a player when he's peaking. It's not about what you can sell them for, it's about what you can keep them for.
Vieira joined Man U is like Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, really hope it won't happen.
Man Utd without van Nistelrooy is a Man Utd that Vieira wouldn't have a problem with. His issues existed with players which won't be with us next season.
Carrick is hugely overrated, no sort of holding midfielder at all. T*ttenham will be rubbing their hands in glee at the (mooted) £20+ mill.
I don't think there's a chance of us paying £20+ million for Carrick at all. The touted price is £14 million. Better off going for Hargreaves, I reckon... I'd put a price of £12m on Carrick's quality. If we do pay anything over £15million I'd be hoping that SAF or CQ have some kind of brilliant plan for how it'll all pay off, because I think we could do better. I hear Diarra is going for around £18m.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Loony BoB said:
The sign of a real top team is not that they sell a player at his peak, but can afford to milk a player for all he's worth while he's at his peak and sell him off when he's starting to get past it. It's obviously better to get a player when he's peaking than to not have a player when he's peaking. It's not about what you can sell them for, it's about what you can keep them for.

Man Utd without van Nistelrooy is a Man Utd that Vieira wouldn't have a problem with. His issues existed with players which won't be with us next season.

I don't think there's a chance of us paying £20+ million for Carrick at all. The touted price is £14 million. Better off going for Hargreaves, I reckon... I'd put a price of £12m on Carrick's quality. If we do pay anything over £15million I'd be hoping that SAF or CQ have some kind of brilliant plan for how it'll all pay off, because I think we could do better. I hear Diarra is going for around £18m.
The difference is that now you have a debt of about £300 million to service thanks to Glazer & sons. Traditionally you are (& will continue to be so, I'm sure) a buying club, but the whole Van Nosedive thing is obviously more about a personality clash than an actual footballing decsion. For mine I'd still back Ruud to bag more than Torres in the coming season.

WRT Vieira, Keane & (possibly) RVN may no longer be suckling at Satan's teat, but I doubt Giggs or (especially) Neville are Pat's bestest buds. Anyway, they're all pros, I'm sure they'd sort it out. It's just disappointing to see a good man turning to the dark side (:p).
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
BoyBrumby said:
The difference is that now you have a debt of about £300 million to service thanks to Glazer & sons. Traditionally you are (& will continue to be so, I'm sure) a buying club, but the whole Van Nosedive thing is obviously more about a personality clash than an actual footballing decsion. For mine I'd still back Ruud to bag more than Torres in the coming season.
If Ruud wanted to be there, I'd agree. Since he doesn't, I won't agree. I think Ruud will score for any team if he wants to, but I just don't think his heart was in it during the second half of last season. His form went the same way, I think.

EDIT: Sky Sports reports that Torres is not for sale - "not for all the money in the world" apparently. Which would leave you wondering what kind of strike force Man Utd will have next year - Saha, Rooney, Solskjaer and Rossi? Surely they'd need another beyond that. Possibly Defoe (according to a single news report by some site I forget) but Jol seems pretty intent on building his Spurs side into something bigger, and isn't keen on selling anyone who has made a name for himself.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Loony BoB said:
If Ruud wanted to be there, I'd agree. Since he doesn't, I won't agree. I think Ruud will score for any team if he wants to, but I just don't think his heart was in it during the second half of last season. His form went the same way, I think.
I reckon if you sold Chavnaldo Ruud might recant. I don't think he was a popular boy, even prior to the Rooney's heel/Carvalho's nuts interface scenario.
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
Are you English? Just curious. ;)

Any team that sells a player like Ronaldo is not doing themselves any favours. For all his antics, he's a fantastic footballer, made more tackles than any other MU player last season and I'm pretty confident he scored more goals than any of our other midfielders. He's only improving, whlie Ruud is out of form and getting old. Rather a player who has ten years in him than one who has a couple!
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Loony BoB said:
Are you English? Just curious. ;)

Any team that sells a player like Ronaldo is not doing themselves any favours. For all his antics, he's a fantastic footballer, made more tackles than any other MU player last season and I'm pretty confident he scored more goals than any of our other midfielders. He's only improving, whlie Ruud is out of form and getting old. Rather a player who has ten years in him than one who has a couple!
He is quality, even I'd concede that, but if the rumours are to be believed he wants out anyway.

If he goes he must be the first player to leave United to "better" himself for donkey's years. Honestly don't remember the last one; maybe Sparky to Barca back in the mid-80s?
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
Loony BoB said:
If Ruud wanted to be there, I'd agree. Since he doesn't, I won't agree. I think Ruud will score for any team if he wants to, but I just don't think his heart was in it during the second half of last season. His form went the same way, I think.

EDIT: Sky Sports reports that Torres is not for sale - "not for all the money in the world" apparently. Which would leave you wondering what kind of strike force Man Utd will have next year - Saha, Rooney, Solskjaer and Rossi? Surely they'd need another beyond that. Possibly Defoe (according to a single news report by some site I forget) but Jol seems pretty intent on building his Spurs side into something bigger, and isn't keen on selling anyone who has made a name for himself.
Forgetting Alan Smith are we?If a midfielder comes then I'm pretty sure he'd be battling it out with Saha for the starting spot. Sometimes going into midfield. Also, Solskjaer pretty capable there and Rossi has the potential talent to play in midfield just behind the strikers.
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
I rate Alan Smith higher as a midfielder than a striker. He's only scored six goals in 31 starts, man... and only scored 36 in 151 starts for Leeds. He's as much a striker as Giggs and Ronaldo.

As for Ronaldo leaving - since when was that happening? Keep up with the press - SAF, CQ & Gill have all stated that Ronaldo will NOT be sold, the club's site has also stated this in a seperate press release, and Ronaldo himself has stated that he still may have a future at United and hasn't said much since then. Whatever CQ said to him must have worked just fine. I highly doubt he'll be leaving.

July 12th: "The club can confirm there is no possibility of Cristiano being sold. Cristiano recently signed a new contract until 2010 and the club fully expects him to honour that contract. The club will not listen to any offers for Cristiano"
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Loony BoB said:
The sign of a real top team is not that they sell a player at his peak, but can afford to milk a player for all he's worth while he's at his peak and sell him off when he's starting to get past it.
So how come they didn't sell him 2 years ago then?

Loony BoB said:
Man Utd without van Nistelrooy is a Man Utd that Vieira wouldn't have a problem with. His issues existed with players which won't be with us next season.
Where's Neville going?
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Loony BoB said:
I rate Alan Smith higher as a midfielder than a striker. He's only scored six goals in 31 starts, man... and only scored 36 in 151 starts for Leeds. He's as much a striker as Giggs and Ronaldo.
Erm no, because he can actually play up front, the other 2 play wide.
 

Scaly piscine

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marc71178 said:
Erm no, because he can actually play up front, the other 2 play wide.
Anyone 'can' play up front, doesn't mean they're any good at it and even after his displays for Portugal I doubt Ronaldo is any worse up front than Smith.

Mind Smith is crap wherever he plays.
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
marc71178 said:
Erm no, because he can actually play up front, the other 2 play wide.
For once I agree with Scaly - being able to play up front doesn't mean he's good enough to do it for a top Premiership side.

I don't think he's an amazing midfielder, but he's better there than up front for sure as far as I'm concerned.

Didn't know Vieira had a problem with Neville. I'm sure they could get past it though.

They didn't sell Ruud two years ago because he was still clearly capable of scoring over 20 goals a season, as he proved last season. He might still be capable but as I said, I doubt he'd do it this season if he hasn't got the heart for it, and it was pretty clear that he didn't at the end of last season.

Still, shame to see him go.
 

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