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*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
aussie said:
thats right yo, everyone here is so critical once England carry a full-strenght sqaud to the WC & all of them play to potential we surely have a shot...
but none of our players seem to be playing to their full potential under Sven..don't you find it strange that these players can be playing consistently well for their clubs and then come to England games and look like a sunday morning pub side?
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
superkingdave said:
but none of our players seem to be playing to their full potential under Sven..don't you find it strange that these players can be playing consistently well for their clubs and then come to England games and look like a sunday morning pub side?
yea i've realised but is that really due to lack of inspiration from the coach??
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Barney Rubble said:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It was actually completely unintentional! It's all true though.

And Pothas, the reason Greece won Euro 2004 was not blind luck, as with Liverpool's CL victory - they both had fantastic managers, who knew how to get the best out of their players. England do not. You cannot win international tournaments without a) a squad of players who naturally gel (e.g. Brazil) or an outstanding manager who can fit contrasting players together (e.g. Otto Rehhagel). England have neither.
That is a very good point, but i do think England have the squad to win a world cup with the current state that interanational is in. Clearly a masssive improvment has to be made and some of the blame must be atached to sven, however if the players come into the tounament fit and on good form amd motivated which they shouldnt have to be by anyone except themselves they do have a chance
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
aussie said:
yea i've realised but is that really due to lack of inspiration from the coach??
not necessarily inspiration, formation might be something to do with it as would the individual instructions he gives to the players (which we wouldn't necessarily know about)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Well I must be in the minority here then because I didn't think we were that bad at all today:

Robinson had 1 save to make all game and did it.
Young was solid in defence and very useful overlapping Beckham.
Carragher didn't really do anything wrong in a relatively alien position.
Terry and Campbell had one small slip between them.
Gerrard was immense.
Lampard looked dangerous going forward.
Cole looked a real threat when he got the ball and did a lot of good tracking back.
Beckham delivered some killer passes and shouldn't have been sent off.
Crouch won a lot of ball and his flicks tended to go to England players.
Owen won a penalty, should've had a second and did all he could really from the service he had.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
Well I must be in the minority here then because I didn't think we were that bad at all today:

Robinson had 1 save to make all game and did it.
Young was solid in defence and very useful overlapping Beckham.
Carragher didn't really do anything wrong in a relatively alien position.
Terry and Campbell had one small slip between them.
Gerrard was immense.
Lampard looked dangerous going forward.
Cole looked a real threat when he got the ball and did a lot of good tracking back.
Beckham delivered some killer passes and shouldn't have been sent off.
Crouch won a lot of ball and his flicks tended to go to England players.
Owen won a penalty, should've had a second and did all he could really from the service he had.
The players might not have been that bad individually, but as a team they didn't close anyone down - in fact they pretty much shepherded Austria til they got to about 25 yards out from England's goal, they were way too deep most of the time and had 4 defenders to their one forward for most of the game, they had virtually no urgency and played at a low tempo which played into Austria's hands, they either passed the ball sideways or hoofed it all night - I just don't see the point in passing the ball along the back line for a minute and then inevitably hitting it 50 yards to Crouch. Most of these problems do come from the manager tho...
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
cant understand why so many are moaning tbh, this is all i expected to happen, it did, and now i can go back to not caring for a few days.
 

Hoggy31

International Captain
Croatia 1 - 0 Sweden :D :D :D

Now if Sweden beat Iceland we have to beat Hungary in Hungary, But if Sweden draw all we have to do is draw with Hungary, and if they lose, well we don't have to worry about the Hungary game
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
marc71178 said:
Gerrard was immense.
Not in the game I watched he wasn't. In fact, I could easily have been unaware he was playing in the game I watched - I was too busy trying to fathom exactly how Peter Crouch got himself out of the Championship where he belongs and into the Liverpool side, let alone the England side.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I thought Crouch did okay for England, probably because he only really had that 1 chance that I remember (where he headed a looping ball straight to the keeper) and so didn't have the opportunity to look particularly bad by missing some sitters. Owen had a few good positions and didn't do anything except for when the opposition fouled him. Anyway however bad Crouch may or may not turn out to be he can't have a first touch that's worse than Owen's.
 

Craig

World Traveller
I'm going to offer something from way left field, but isn't it not a bad thing that England aren't playing well and so therefore they aren't peaking too early before going to Germany next year? At least there is a lot of improvement to do (I look at England's tour of South Africa where they won and not played well and people wrote them off in the Ashes but they won).

And people on here are just being hypocrites, had you guys won 4-0, or getting really impressive results you lot would be loving every minute of it and be of the opinion he could do no wrong, yet get this and he is suddenly over-paid,over-rated, hopeless, useless, crap, rubbish, Scarborough's manager could do a better job (bet Neil will love this).

And does SP ever has something positive to say?

On another note, congratulations to Angola who have qualified for their first ever World Cup finals. This happened despite the Super Eagles (Nigeria) beating Zimbabwe 5-1 in their Group 4 match but Angola won away to Rwanda to get the spot.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Craig said:
And people on here are just being hypocrites, had you guys won 4-0, or getting really impressive results you lot would be loving every minute of it and be of the opinion he could do no wrong, yet get this and he is suddenly over-paid,over-rated, hopeless, useless, crap, rubbish, Scarborough's manager could do a better job (bet Neil will love this).
What annoyed me was the way the commentators were talking about how England were hanging on for the win. If they were really hanging on, how come Austria never got a decent shot on goal in the game?

In the previous game, the same commentators were praising the Northern Irish for the way their gritty defence kept the English out...

Also, Lineker's comment about the booing after the game being aimed at Sven was so off the mark it's not funny.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
What annoyed me was the way the commentators were talking about how England were hanging on for the win. If they were really hanging on, how come Austria never got a decent shot on goal in the game?

In the previous game, the same commentators were praising the Northern Irish for the way their gritty defence kept the English out...

Also, Lineker's comment about the booing after the game being aimed at Sven was so off the mark it's not funny.
Yes John Motson was increadibly iritiating, the pundits seem to have got into the same mentality of the typical England fan. The point about not pressing enough was a fair one but they coyld have easily beeen 2 or 3 up at half time.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Craig said:
I'm going to offer something from way left field, but isn't it not a bad thing that England aren't playing well and so therefore they aren't peaking too early before going to Germany next year? At least there is a lot of improvement to do (I look at England's tour of South Africa where they won and not played well and people wrote them off in the Ashes but they won).

And people on here are just being hypocrites, had you guys won 4-0, or getting really impressive results you lot would be loving every minute of it and be of the opinion he could do no wrong, yet get this and he is suddenly over-paid,over-rated, hopeless, useless, crap, rubbish, Scarborough's manager could do a better job (bet Neil will love this).

And does SP ever has something positive to say?

On another note, congratulations to Angola who have qualified for their first ever World Cup finals. This happened despite the Super Eagles (Nigeria) beating Zimbabwe 5-1 in their Group 4 match but Angola won away to Rwanda to get the spot.
It's truly lame the way the media, managers or whatever have brainwashed people into believing this rubbish about 'only the result matters' and 'don't want to peak too early'. If England can't play well now when they had ample motivation to do in the last 3 games then why are they likely to raise their game for a World Cup?
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Scaly piscine said:
It's truly lame the way the media, managers or whatever have brainwashed people into believing this rubbish about 'only the result matters' and 'don't want to peak too early'. If England can't play well now when they had ample motivation to do in the last 3 games then why are they likely to raise their game for a World Cup?
In case you forgot the world cup is actualy over 6 months away. The players would have had a huge amount of football between now and then. I really dont think that when they start playing in the world cup these games will have any bearing. They are on bad form and form doesnt usualy last 6 months.
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
Pothas said:
In case you forgot the world cup is actualy over 6 months away. The players would have had a huge amount of football between now and then. I really dont think that when they start playing in the world cup these games will have any bearing. They are on bad form and form doesnt usualy last 6 months.
but the point is they aren't on bad form, they are playing pretty well for their clubs week in week out - Beckham for example is probably playing his best football since he moved to Madrid.
 

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