*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[sledger]

Righhhht. And here was me thinking you actually had some footballing knowledge. Explain to me how Neville is overrated when the majority who don't play/know anything about football think he is a donkey anyway??? But i suppose you know better than every football manager in the land, and most players for that matter.

im sure you do as well, but thats besides the point, im not intrested in insulting you, so you can desist at that as well.

Anyway, there is very little goodness about gary nevilles game, he can tackle adequetely, but he cant pass for toffee, he charges at referees and moans childishly (worse than most) even if hes just gone and stamped on some guys leg, and if neville and ferdinand are sooo great, then please explain to me the awful state that is man utds defence.

 

[Scaly piscine]

im sure you do as well, but thats besides the point, im not intrested in insulting you, so you can desist at that as well.

Anyway, there is very little goodness about gary nevilles game, he can tackle adequetely, but he cant pass for toffee, he charges at referees and moans childishly (worse than most) even if hes just gone and stamped on some guys leg, and if neville and ferdinand are sooo great, then please explain to me the awful state that is man utds defence.

Man Utd's defence is pretty decent, it's their midfield that's totally useless (and their goalkeeping of previous seasons). You're right about Neville's passing tho, he just punts the ball 80% of the time.

 

[twctopcat]

im sure you do as well, but thats besides the point, im not intrested in insulting you, so you can desist at that as well.

Anyway, there is very little goodness about gary nevilles game, he can tackle adequetely, but he cant pass for toffee, he charges at referees and moans childishly (worse than most) even if hes just gone and stamped on some guys leg, and if neville and ferdinand are sooo great, then please explain to me the awful state that is man utds defence.

Im not the one slagging off a player with 10 years international experience.For a start Utd havent conceded this year. Had 19 clean sheets last year, conceding 26 in 38 games, the only reason we came 3rd was because of a lack of goals, so i wouldn't call that a terrible defence, just not Chelsea-esque, but then again what is. As for moaning and charging referees, 95% of players do it, its just more recognised and spoken of as Neville plays for "manure" as some people say, not that i'm defending that part of the game. Finally this is the same Neville who for 12 years has consistently been putting crosses on his overlaps onto the heads of Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Van Nistelrooy etc??? Come again mate.

 

[sledger]

Man Utd's defence is pretty decent, it's their midfield that's totally useless (and their goalkeeping of previous seasons). You're right about Neville's passing tho, he just punts the ball 80% of the time.

which incidentally is usually to a member of the other team, a defender in the modern day needs to have a lot more composure on the ball to be called truly decent imo.

 

[sledger]

Im not the one slagging off a player with 10 years international experience.For a start Utd havent conceded this year. Had 19 clean sheets last year, conceding 26 in 38 games, the only reason we came 3rd was because of a lack of goals, so i wouldn't call that a terrible defence, just not Chelsea-esque, but then again what is. As for moaning and charging referees, 95% of players do it, its just more recognised and spoken of as Neville plays for "manure" as some people say, not that i'm defending that part of the game. Finally this is the same Neville who for 12 years has consistently been putting crosses on his overlaps onto the heads of Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Van Nistelrooy etc??? Come again mate.

never said i had a problem with his crosses, they are perfectly good, very good in fact, hsi passing is just atrocious. Look at it this way, how many of the top european sides defences would gary get into ? very very few imo, the rest of the team on the other hand...most of them would be able to get a place in any other major european sides starting 11, the fact that england have nobody better than neville (in svens eyes anyway, although sven has my full support) just gos to show that it is the one real weak link in englands team imho.

 

[superkingdave]

tbh i hate Manure and i hate Gary Neville, but he's not as bad as you're making out, i'd certainly rather him than carragher, especially given that carragher was never more than ok at full back, his form of recent has come from playing centre back

 

[twctopcat]

never said i had a problem with his crosses, they are perfectly good, very good in fact, hsi passing is just atrocious. Look at it this way, how many of the top european sides defences would gary get into ? very very few imo, the rest of the team on the other hand...most of them would be able to get a place in any other major european sides starting 11, the fact that england have nobody better than neville (in svens eyes anyway, although sven has my full support) just gos to show that it is the one real weak link in englands team imho.

So a cross is not a pass??? There goes my 17years of football knowledge. I don't know many defenders who can do a crossfield switch 60 yards. More a pass of 10-20 yards is all that is required, see Bobby Moore. Silvestre certainly couldn't get into any team IMO, and when referring to Rio, well is one of the best defenders in the world so thats pretty much obvious. I don't know what sort of playmaking role u expect right backs to play but in my time of playing football it isn't the most complex of roles but what is required Neville does very well.

 

[sledger]

you are totally putting words im my mouth there twctopcat, please go back and read what i have said again to make sure that you havent gone and confused yourself, no offense mate, you seem like a good bloke, im not trying to wind you up etc... i just like a good argument sorry if i ****ed you off.

but im going to bed now...

 

[twctopcat]

you are totally putting words im my mouth there twctopcat, please go back and read what i have said again to make sure that you havent gone and confused yourself, no offense mate, you seem like a good bloke, im not trying to wind you up etc... i just like a good argument sorry if i ****ed you off.

but im going to bed now...

No worries mate, takes a lot more than that to wind me up!! I was just trying to say that the majority of defenders can't pass that well, which is why they aren't midfielders. Gary falls in that bracket. He can pass 15yds fine, tackle well, is good in the air and runs alot down the flanks, which is what a right back needs to do. For me he is one of the best around with Cafu the only right back head and shoulders above all the others in the game.

 

[marc71178]

I challenge anyone to find a better option for right back than Gary Neville.

A problem we're about to have to cope with.

Phil, on the other hand....

 

[Pratters]

As with any friendly played by England, we called it irrelevant long before the game.

Some one calling a match irrelevent does not necessarily mean so as shown in the world cup match. That was my point of reference of the world cup match.

 

[marc71178]

Any match in a competition has some meaning towards the competition, so it can't be irrelevant.

An England friendly has no meaning and so when we call it irrelevant, it's because it is.

Put it this way - if England are playing a qualifier, I will move heaven and earth to go and watch the game (even if it involves driving 40-odd miles before the game as I am doing this Saturday)

If it's a friendly, chances are I won't be bothered to watch it even if it is on terrestrial TV and I only have to walk 3 metres to watch it.

That is what is called irrelevant.

 

[Craig]

Well that depends on the supporters/players for any other respective nation. In England such is the way with Eriksson and the players, friendlies end up being trivial and pointless.

So what is the best around it then?

Pick a similar side everytime (barring injuries) and use no more then 3 subs and in the case of the match against Denmark, give Defoe a full game since he is going to be starting with Rooney so they can get an understanding together (lets face it they have never played with each other at club level) and not go on a trip like to the US?

I have heard suggestions of bringing back the Home Nations Tournament (last held in 1984?) and it would be more beneficial for countries like Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland (at least the players would have some movitation for playing well and wanting to win) and perhaps to some extent England. At least then he will be forced to treat it more seriously.

Thoughts?

 

[Craig]

I challenge anyone to find a better option for right back than Gary Neville.

A problem we're about to have to cope with.

Phil, on the other hand....

Glen Johnson potentially could but he isn't getting a go at Chelski and IMO he and Mourinho missed out on a good chance to send out on loan to get some more experience now that the transfer window has closed.

 

[Craig]

Last day transfer window happenings:

Transfer news as it happened (All times BST):

0000: The transfer window slams shut until December 31 - with Football League clubs experiencing it for the first time.

2351: Spurs swoop to sign Polish striker Grzegorz Rasiak from Championship outfit Derby County.

2334: Charlton sign former Arsenal, Coventry and Perugia striker Jay Bothroyd.

2330: Nolberto Solano has passed a medical and returns to Newcastle in a £1.5m move from Aston Villa, who will take James Milner on loan for the season.

2300: Portsmouth make a third signing with the capture of Salif Diao on a season-long loan from Liverpool.

2220: Rangers defender Michael Ball joins PSV Eindhoven on two-year contract, with option for a further year.

2210: Celtic sign China international defender Du Wei on a four-year deal.

2140: Nolberto Solano is having a medical at secret location with a view to a move back to Newcastle from Aston Villa. James Milner is expected to go the other way on a season-long loan.

2115: Middlesbrough agree deal to sign Brazilian midfielder Fabio Rochemback from Barcelona.

2100: Uruguayan striker Dario Silva completes a move to Portsmouth from Spanish club Sevilla.

2015: Liverpool's attempts to sign Benfica striker Simao Sabrosa fall through.

1950: Bolton complete the signing of midfielder Fabrice Fernandes, who was released by Southampton, on a free.

1900: Burnley secure the services of defender Duane Courtney on a two-year contract from Telford.

1815 Blackburn sign midfielder David Bentley on loan from Arsenal until end of season.

1800: Leicester City announce a double signing, bringing in Tranmere's Iain Hume on a £500,000 deal rising to £750,000 if the Foxes are promoted - and also signing Fulham's Elvis Hammond in a deal which could net the Cottagers up to £350,000.

1730: Tottenham confirm that Erik Edman has left the club to join French side Rennes.

1700: Window closes for deals between Football League clubs.

1630: Portsmouth confirm the signing of Barcelona's France Under-19 midfielder Frank Songo'o.

1625: Everton announce that they have completed the signing of Dutch international midfielder Andy van der Meyde from Inter Milan for an undisclosed fee.

1545: - Scottish Premier League leaders Hearts have signed Brazilian midfielder Samuel Almeida Camazzola.

1525: Sunderland goalkeeper Mart Poom joins Arsenal on loan.

Going the other way is defender Justin Hoyte, who swaps Highbury for Wearside on a loan deal until the end of the season.

1520: Everton have still to decide whether to spend £2m on injured Dutch winger Andy van der Meyde, and they are also chasing a striker.

1500: Republic of Ireland international forward Connolly joins Wigan from Leicester for £3m.

1330: Tottenham complete the signing of defender Lee Young-Pyo from PSV Eindhoven.

1305: Blackburn have signed Georgian defender Zurab Khizanishvili from Rangers on a season long-loan.

The deal includes an option for Blackburn to buy the player between now and the end of May.

1245: Middlesbrough striker Joseph-Desire Job moves to Saudi Arabian side Al Ittihad on a year's loan.

1215: Simao Sabrosa appears set to join Liverpool from Benfica after the Portuguese Football Federation gave permission for the forward to undergo a medical at Anfield.

PSV Eindhoven defender Lee Young-Pyo has signed for Tottenham, according to his agent.

1200: Owen signs a four-year deal with Newcastle, who fought off Liverpool's interest in the 25-year-old striker.

1045: Middlesbrough defender Michael Reiziger is expected to sign for Dutch side PSV Eindhoven.

1015: Jenas completes his switch from Newcastle to Tottenham.

1000: Tottenham are at the centre of the day's early activity.

The Londoners are set to bring in Jenas for £8m after Newcastle confirmed the clubs had reached agreement over the midfielder.

But defender Edman is on the verge of joining Rennes, with the French team claiming on their website that the deal has been completed.

0900: A busy day is expected as clubs scramble to make acquisitions and offload players before the transfer window shuts.

Among those set to be involved is Aston Villa's Nolberto Solano, who could re-sign for Newcastle.

And Tottenham's Robbie Keane could switch to Everton, while the Londoners are considering bringing in Cristiano Lucarelli from Italian side Livorno.

Celtic are waiting to learn whether China defender Du Wei will complete an £850,000 transfer from Shanghai Shenhua.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4199286.stm

 

[Craig]

Taggart has just been sacked by Man U!!



























































































































































































































(This is in FM 2005)

(bet you fell for that?)

 

[steds]

bet you fell for that?

Nope. The length of the post gave it away

 

[Tom Halsey]

Nope. The length of the post gave it away

Same.

 

[Pratters]

That is what is called irrelevant.

I understand your point of view clearly as there is not any thing in terms of competitions at stake in these matches. But competition is not the only thing which I keep in mind to call a match relevant or irrelevant. This is why some friendlies like an Inida Pakistan match may mean some thing to me. We have different criterias to judge relevent and irrelevent matches.

Cheers.

 

[marc71178]

So 4-5-1 then - what's people's thoughts on that change of heart by Sven?