*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[luckyeddie]

CDMs' chief poseur is below average when it comes to games against good teams or in the big games, or both.

That's the footy equivalent of eliminating Bangladesh from stats.

What's Henry's "First shot from outside the penalty area average", Richard I mean Scaly?

 

[Craig]

He scored his sixth good chance (his second open goal, which he still very nearly fluffed) against Juve, go on then list what else he's done on his nth chance for an important goal against a good team.

Like goals he has scored against Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man U and Liverpool and amongst others?

Like when he scored two against Chelsea at Highbury last season? Like when he went rampant against Liverpool at the same ground on their glory run in 043-04? Again when he scored a goal against Man U in the same ground at the same season that gave them the lead (and it was no tap-in either if you remember), granted Saha scored a late equaliser but you can't expect him to play in defence and in goal. Also there was the goal he got against Real Madrid in the last round that gave them the lead and an important away goal, because even if Real Madrid equalised and the next leg ended the same score as it did in real life they would have gone through on the away goals rule.

True there are times when it has appeared he has gone MIA for France (Euro 2004 being a n example) but if the ball doesn't get serviced his way is supposed to go in and service the ball for himself?

 

[Craig]

Shearer played for a team that were useless in the CL. The chief poseur plays for a team that was only useless when it hit the knockout rounds, now they've got a defense they're a bit better - unfortunately for them their sole forward doesn't quite cut it at that level yet, even tho he gets chance after chance after chance to score or create chances and fails miserably most of the time.

So who is Van Persie and Adebayor?

 

[Craig]

So I assume that Piscane never responded to my posts, I was right and he had no response ?

 

[Craig]

Apparently Pires has signed for Villarreal?!

Big coup for them.

 

[marc71178]

It's only the Sun saying it so far?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Like goals he has scored against Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man U and Liverpool and amongst others?

Like when he scored two against Chelsea at Highbury last season? Like when he went rampant against Liverpool at the same ground on their glory run in 043-04? Again when he scored a goal against Man U in the same ground at the same season that gave them the lead (and it was no tap-in either if you remember), granted Saha scored a late equaliser but you can't expect him to play in defence and in goal. Also there was the goal he got against Real Madrid in the last round that gave them the lead and an important away goal, because even if Real Madrid equalised and the next leg ended the same score as it did in real life they would have gone through on the away goals rule.

True there are times when it has appeared he has gone MIA for France (Euro 2004 being a n example) but if the ball doesn't get serviced his way is supposed to go in and service the ball for himself?

As I've said before, there'll be exceptions where he scores because he gets so many chances that it's almost impossible to miss all of them (although I give him credit for trying). I produced stats ages ago to show his goals per game in big games was pathetic, marc had no answer to those as usual and I expect you won't either. For instance in one of CDMs' FA Cup winning runs he'd not scored in it at all.

 

[luckyeddie]

As I've said before, there'll be exceptions where he scores because he gets so many chances that it's almost impossible to miss all of them (although I give him credit for trying). I produced stats ages ago to show his goals per game in big games was pathetic, marc had no answer to those as usual and I expect you won't either. For instance in one of CDMs' FA Cup winning runs he'd not scored in it at all.

It was always said that great strikers were the ones who got in position to score - that's where the instinct came in. Henry's a different type of player - often a provider, he has been known to pass to others.

Someone like Van Nistelrooy gets a nosebleed if he leaves the six yard box - and the only time he 'passes' is when he mis-hits a shot.

 

[Scaly piscine]

It was always said that great strikers were the ones who got in position to score - that's where the instinct came in. Henry's a different type of player - often a provider, he has been known to pass to others.

Someone like Van Nistelrooy gets a nosebleed if he leaves the six yard box - and the only time he 'passes' is when he mis-hits a shot.

Horse doesn't take every free kick, isn't the only forward, doesn't have every player going out of their way to pass to him and he still stuffs chief poseur's goals per game record in Europe. Yes they're different types of player and horse is better.

 

[Jamee999]

Maybe Henry takes every free kick because he's good at taking free kicks?

 

[aussie]

watching Man U these days without Ruud starting looks odd, if i had my way i'd play all 3 strikers.

 

[luckyeddie]

Bum.

Thought my team were doing well going to Reading and getting through the first hour unscathed.

Ended up losing 5-0.

 

[luckyeddie]

Horse doesn't take every free kick, isn't the only forward, doesn't have every player going out of their way to pass to him and he still stuffs chief poseur's goals per game record in Europe. Yes they're different types of player and horse is better.

I see Henry scored another couple today.

Don't you get fed up of pushing rope uphill?

 

[Barney Rubble]

Another storming win for a rejuvenated Pompey today at Fulham.

I don't know what's happened to us, but whatever it is, I like it.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I see Henry scored another couple today.

Don't you get fed up of pushing rope uphill?

Proves my point actually, but you wouldn't acknowledge that of course.

Chief poseur constantly picks up lots of goals in easy fixtures and does precious little the rest of the season.

In the Premier League this season he has now scored 2 goals in a game against:

Fulham at home
Sunderland at home
Wigan away (when they lost 4-5 straight games)
Portsmouth at home
Fulham away
Aston Villa at home

With a hattrick against an injury ravaged Middlesbrough at home

He's picked up a goal in games against

Newcastle at home
Blackburn at home
West Ham at home
Birmingham away

The only remotely difficult fixture he scored in was at home to Liverpool.


Flat track bully.

 

[luckyeddie]

Proves my point actually, but you wouldn't acknowledge that of course.

What's to acknowledge, and why on earth not if you are right?

To tell the truth, I couldn't care two hoots whether Henry scores again - he just happens to be one of a handful of players in the world game (other than my own team of course) who I would cross the road to watch at the moment because of his 90-minute contribution (and yes, including the all-too-frequent Gallic shrug which always makes me chuckle).

You're just going on about his goalscoring abilities - the times I've watched Arsenal on the telly this year, if he hasn't scored himself, it's generally because

a) the opposition are treble-marking him, leaving opportunities for others
b) Henry's laying the ball on a plate for others
c) both of the above

but if he has, they've been belters.

It actually pains me to disagree with you on this (first time for everything) because I cannot stand Arsenal and think that Arsole Wengerboy is a prat.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If he's such a creative player why have the CDMs scored so few goals in Europe? Why have they been blanked 9 times out of 24 Premiership games the chief poseur has played in? They've only scored 48 in 30 Premiership games total and 7 of those were against Middlesbrough seconds. You can't exactly say their midfield is any worse than Manure's either - that would be practically impossible and they've scored 62 in 31 Premiership games.

 

[Barney Rubble]

You can use stats to support anything. I'm beginning to wonder if you've even seen Henry play - stats are irrelevant when a player is that obviously blessed.

Next you'll be criticising Rooney for not scoring enough goals....

 

[luckyeddie]

If he's such a creative player why have the CDMs scored so few goals in Europe? Why have they been blanked 9 times out of 24 Premiership games the chief poseur has played in? They've only scored 48 in 30 Premiership games total and 7 of those were against Middlesbrough seconds. You can't exactly say their midfield is any worse than Manure's either - that would be practically impossible and they've scored 62 in 31 Premiership games.

If you're just saying 'he has gone off this season' or words to that effect, then perhaps you are right - before this season, he'd probably (in my opinion) been the most consistent player of the decade.

Like I said, I'm not fond of Arsenal and I certainly don't feel particularly comfortable arguing their corner.

 

[Scaly piscine]

If you're just saying 'he has gone off this season' or words to that effect, then perhaps you are right - before this season, he'd probably (in my opinion) been the most consistent player of the decade.

Like I said, I'm not fond of Arsenal and I certainly don't feel particularly comfortable arguing their corner.

No he's always been like this, a flat track bully. He's a good club player, but he's no better than an Ian Wright when you look at his play objectively - it's just unfortunate that people are dazzled by all the posing, other nonsense and occasional bit of skill that usually leads nowhere. In cricket it's easy to look past all the 'style' because you've got batting averages and so forth - so you don't get the likes of Gower and Yuvraj Singh elevated to god status just because they hit a few classy shots before getting out.

Do people want a Holland/France type side or a Germany/Italy type side? The chief poseur lovers obviously prefer the former. Substance always wins out over style.