GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Made a few WC finals tbf
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***official*** England whiteball tour of india January 2025***
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Kenneth Viljoen
International Regular
Not true they have always had solid teams which were good for the times..Guys like Flintoff, Swann , Trescothick , Hick , Gooch , Gough , Willis etc all fine One day players
SkyBlue
U19 Vice-Captain
Maybe I dint narrow it down enough. Since the last 3 decades then haha.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
They were all good one day players but didn’t play in good one day teams. Certainly not the post-92 ones anyway.
Flintoff in our 2015-19 side would have probably made that the greatest ODI side of all time and I’m serious.
Not sure Swann and Tresco make that side, which says more about Bairstow/Roy/Hales and Rashid than it does them.
SkyBlue
U19 Vice-Captain
Disagree. England in ODI's have been pretty mediocre since the mid 90s. Except for 2019 World cup, they've achieved poor results in major tournaments. Even worse in bilateral series.
Hungry Llama
U19 Debutant
For someone who bowls as fast as Wood, those figures are truly mediocre. Archer has his moments but also hasnt anywhere near lived up to the hype. And why is Ahmed on the tour if theyr not gonna play him. I thought the whole idea was that they were positioning him to be Rashids successor, he cant last for ever. So far Baz has brought more of the same, england stuck in a rut.
mackembhoy
International Regular
Wood took wickets to help us win a World Cup though.Yes , Wood made his debut in 2015 but still hasn't taken 100 odi wickets..He still needs another 20 odd to reach the mark.
David Willey made his debut in the same year, retired in 2023 and has 100 scalps despite being a squad bowler..
Of the 29 English bowlers who have taken 50 odi wickets or more , Wood has the 3rd worst bowling average, only Moeen Ali and Ben Stokes average worse. Pace privilege
Willey was turfed out cos of Archer.
David Willey is to blame for his career not going the way it should have. Guy was more than capable with the bat could have even opened for England. But he failed pretty much every chance he ever got with the bat.
Still remember Woakes winning us a game against Sri Lanka with a 90 after Willey got out cheaply. He never batted above Woakes again after that.
David Willey averages below 30 and can bowl 5-6 overs straight up at the top of an innings. He and Wood aren't even in the same league in this format.
Silver Silva
International Regular
I mean he took 1/45 in the semi final , and 1/49 in the final in the 2019 edition ..
Someone who bowls 150+ should not be averaging 40 in his career yet he's hardly gotten called out for that .
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Swann definitely could have played at times particularly in typical english conditions, Rahid had a **** 2019 WC for instance.
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
Yeah, I'm amazed that he's kept getting the ODI gig, when it was pretty obvious that he has no variation and not enough actual control to be a consistent threat.
Willey got forced out of the England side by not being offered a white ball contract, despite continuing good performances with the ball. I'm struggling with the strategy or lack of it when it comes to white ball over the last two or three years as well as the structure of the team, that we've gone on about ad nauseum.
Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
There's another bowler who I think needs calling out too and that's Rashid. He largely gets the gig because there aren't many alternatives (well Dawson deserved a chance). His overall average is 33 and since 2019 35.4. In comparison, Zampa has an average since 2019 of under 24. Rashid is about 1.4 wickets per match whilst Zampa is 2.
He's 36 now and not really doing a job. Surely, for the sake of going forwards, it's time to make a call (maybe it happens after the CT).
He's 36 now and not really doing a job. Surely, for the sake of going forwards, it's time to make a call (maybe it happens after the CT).
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
He's 37 in a few days time. I noted Rashid's record since the 2019 world cup and the difference between him and Zampa. We need to give a go to Ahmed at some point and England are obviously monitoring Chohan.
FBU
International Debutant
Chohan did well in the BBL. Never played ODIs (T20s 25 wickets at 23.60 econ 7.67)
Rehan ODIs 10 wickets at 23.30 econ 4.95
Rashid ODIs 209 wickets at 32.93 econ 5.63
Bethell ODIs 5 wickets at 32.40 econ 7.04
Livingstone ODIs 22 wickets at 37.54 econ 5.97
Zampa ODIs 180 wickets at 28.28 econ 5.52
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Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
I was merely going by that Chohan had been identified as one to watch by the England management. Obviously many English whiteball players will barely get to play domestic 50 over cricket, which is a big drawback. As Molehill pointed out, Rashid is clearly on a decline and is 37 in a few days time. We need to succession plan. He may have another t20 world cup in him but the CT trophy should be his last 50 over gig.