***Official*** England in Sri Lanka 2012

[Ruckus]

Are Warner and Pietersen the only ones who can do it?

 

[Cabinet96]

I can see both points with regards to the switch hit, but I think the ICC can't really do anything with regards to it. Their would be uproar if they banned it due to the practice people would have been putting into it. KP would probably demand compensation for all the practice he's spent swith hitting instead of figuring out how to play left arm spin.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the 6th time Jayawardene has been dropped this series. Admittedly it was a tough one.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Dilshan would have felt if he has hit it, especially if there was a red mark, must have been a healthy nick. Then it would be foolish to review when you know you have hit it, or you are a top class idiot. Dilshan is an idiot, but. even an idiot of his class wouldn't have reviewed if he has hit it.

Nah, that's crap. Maharoof practically middled one behind to Prior in the first test at Cardiff last summer and he reviewed it straight away. Either he didn't know he'd hit it or sometimes batsmen just don't want to be out.

 

[Cabinet96]

Dilshan would have felt if he has hit it, especially if there was a red mark, must have been a healthy nick. Then it would be foolish to review when you know you have hit it, or you are a top class idiot. Dilshan is an idiot, but. even an idiot of his class wouldn't have reviewed if he has hit it.

I don't know actually. Without hotspot he could be forgiven for trying to escape a thin edge.

@Ruckus - I think so.

 

[Migara]

I can see both points with regards to the switch hit, but I think the ICC can't really do anything with regards to it. Their would be uproar if they banned it due to the practice people would have been putting into it. KP would probably demand compensation for all the practice he's spent swith hitting instead of figuring out how to play left arm spin.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the 6th time Jayawardene has been dropped this series. Admittedly it was a tough one.

It's not that difficult to manage switch hit. If ICC wants it, they can get it from softball cricket association of SL how to do it. In soft ball cricket in SL, switch hit is a famous shot. But the laws are such, once batsman switches the stance, both off and leg side of the batsman are considered as off side. Now you can fire a ball two feet outside batsman's original legstump without being wided, and you can get lbw's off balls pitching outside batsman's original legstump. This allows bowler to fire a legside yorker of a bastman switches his stance without being wided and sometimes can get him lbw even if it pitches outside leg.

 

[Cabinet96]

Nah, that's crap. Maharoof practically middled one behind to Prior in the first test at Cardiff last summer and he reviewed it straight away. Either he didn't know he'd hit it or sometimes batsmen just don't want to be out.

That really was hilarious. Suppose he panicked in the muddle of a collapse.

Also in the 2010 Lords test against Pakistan Cook missed one by a big margin, was given out, but still wasn't 100% sure whether he had hit it or not. I think the "they always know if they hit" is over used and exaggerated with thin edges.

 

[Spikey]

I think those two are the only guys going around in test cricket who can do it, no doubt there's some domestic players who can

One thing I just thought of - Dilshan is of course notable for his own new-age batting stroke. And sometimes I feel exponents of the scope can sometimes start too early. Of course switch hits are usually done against spin and scopes against seamers, so it's a bit different.

 

[Migara]

Nah, that's crap. Maharoof practically middled one behind to Prior in the first test at Cardiff last summer and he reviewed it straight away. Either he didn't know he'd hit it or sometimes batsmen just don't want to be out.

Mahaoof is another idiot. But I agree that some times they could not feel it. But a ball leaving a red mark on the bat and batsman not feeling it is close to being farcial.

 

[Cabinet96]

I think those two are the only guys going around in test cricket who can do it, no doubt there's some domestic players who can

One thing I just thought of - Dilshan is of course notable for his own new-age batting stroke. And sometimes I feel exponents of the scope can sometimes start too early. Of course switch hits are usually done against spin and scopes against seamers, so it's a bit different.

That is exactly what I first thought when Dilshan was whinging yesterday. Although I it's not quite the same as switching your hands.

 

[Migara]

That really was hilarious. Suppose he panicked in the muddle of a collapse.

Also in the 2010 Lords test against Pakistan Cook missed one by a big margin, was given out, but still wasn't 100% sure whether he had hit it or not. I think the "they always know if they hit" is over used and exaggerated with thin edges.

Once again mate, thin edges don't leave fat red marks to be detected real time by TV cameras.

 

[Cabinet96]

Once again mate, thin edges don't leave fat red marks to be detected real time by TV cameras.

The Mark on hotspot for the Roof's one was one of the largest I've ever seen. As I've said Dilshan may have been trying to manipulate the system and the lack of hotspot.

 

[BoyBrumby]

No slips at all for the seamer? Hmm. If Bres gets on to hold its line and induces an edge...

 

[Cabinet96]

No slips at all for the seamer? Hmm. If Bres gets on to hold its line and induces an edge...

Doubt the 63 over old ball would carry tbh.

 

[Ruckus]

Yeah I think at this stage, seeing as though it's such a rare occurence, maybe just something like Spikey was saying to do with the timing needs to be made clear. I don't think there needs to be any drastic changes in the laws though. Really, when it comes down to it, it's a pretty damn risky shot, so I can't imagine the overall benefits of using it would be that high considering it's difficulty to pull off and the risk of losing your wicket etc. That's another question actually, has anyone in international cricket (so I guess only Warner or Pietersen) ever been dismissed from playing the switch hit?

 

[Spikey]

not with these slower balls anyway

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yeah I think at this stage, seeing as though it's such a rare occurence, maybe just something like Spikey was saying to do with the timing needs to be made clear. I don't think there needs to be any drastic changes in the laws though. Really, when it comes down to it, it's a pretty damn risky shot, so I can't imagine the overall benefits of using it would be that high considering it's difficulty to pull off and the risk of losing your wicket etc. That's another question actually, has anyone in international cricket (so I guess only Warner or Pietersen) ever been dismissed from playing the switch hit?

Dilshan was bowling to a 7-2 field, hence him pulling out when KP swapped his grip. Obviously can make a lot more room if a player changes his off & on sides.

 

[Cabinet96]

Yeah I think at this stage, seeing as though it's such a rare occurence, maybe just something like Spikey was saying to do with the timing needs to be made clear. I don't think there needs to be any drastic changes in the laws though. Really, when it comes down to it, it's a pretty damn risky shot, so I can't imagine the overall benefits of using it would be that high considering it's difficulty to pull off and the risk of losing your wicket etc. That's another question actually, has anyone in international cricket (so I guess only Warner or Pietersen) ever been dismissed from playing the switch hit?

No one has ever got out to it in international cricket, but I believe Pietersen was bowled by Harbhajan Singh in the IPL playing the shot.

 

[Spikey]

I'm not sure if the risk is that big. I mean, get your body in the way and you should be outside the line, and you should be fine field-wise, so it's just top edging it or totally ****ing up your body movements.

 

[Burgey]

Timing. Love the switch hit, it's amazing to see. So it's just the timing. I'm pretty sure I've seen KP switch hits which are timed well, so he was just jumping the gun a bit at times for me (and dilshan, obviously.)

And it should be noted, if the bowler doesn't complain, I won't either. Pretty much, I'll back a bowler who complains. But I won't abuse a batsman who tries to sneak an advantage, and gets away with it. ala backing up, really.

I think it's amazing too, but I don't think you should be allowed to do it.

 

[Ruckus]

Dilshan was bowling to a 7-2 field, hence him pulling out when KP swapped his grip. Obviously can make a lot more room if a player changes his off & on sides.

Yeah I understand the advantages, but it still remains that it is a very rare shot. I mean, how many times did KP actually play the shot during his innings? I didn't see it, but it was only a couple of times wasn't it?