The same Vettori that the Aussies just shut up shop and would not play at him?C_C said:Precisely what cut-off dates are you using ? Vettori has that record since 97 and kumble's record last time was a vast improvement over anything vettori has shown in OZ .
And dear Gregory, wernt you so offaciously arguing about 'currently blahblah has nothing to do with 5 years ago blah blah' ?
yeah, but the question is, will England be as good as a bowling unit in the subcontinent? I guess only time will tell, but personally, I would always have the better keeper in tests and with enough exposure, the keeper will get better with the bat.greg said:
Kumble is miles ahead of Vettori as a spinner, performances overall or performances against Australia, whatever be the criteria. It is just another instance where the RoW selectors have taken other considerations apart from cricketing ability to make a selection.Retox said:
Maybe some people forgot that Eng will be playing Pakistan in comming series and not IndiaBehlol said:
They are still very much world class, however if they continue to flop (like they did against England) in another 2-3 test series, then they might not be considered as World Class anymore.aussie said:
And he gets there, with Hampshire declaring on 714-5shaka said:
Welcome along.The Baconator said:
Very true, Warne is. Still...you'd think someone with so many years at Hampshire would remember the record?greg said:
?Samuel_Vimes said:Very true, Warne is. Still...you'd think someone with so many years at Hampshire would remember the record?
Warne's got plenty of time at Hampshire, someone ought to have taught him what the highest innings score was in that time. I think. Anyway, no matter.superkingdave said:
You're beginning to sound very like AMZ (and that's not a good thing). Do you think the better record could possibly be because he plays in India and Giles plays in England?! Not saying Giles should be in the World XI or anything, but he's far from the worst specialist Test spinner at the moment.C_C said:
Well... who is the worst specialist test spinner then? You could make an argument for one or two of the Windies guys or Boje, but none of them are exactly regular test players. Giles is also better than someone like Paul Wiseman... but again he's not a regular team member.Tom Halsey said:
It's a bit of an unfair debate though. If Boje, or the Windies guys or etc are "not regular test players" (not sure that's true of Boje) then it's only because they are so bad that their teams choose not play a spinner at all! Basically Giles is being damned because England choose to pick a spinner, and despite the fact that over the last few years he's done a more than adequate job. If you simply focus on his statistics then you should be drawing in Vettori and the like.FaaipDeOiad said:
