***Official*** England in Pakistan

[aussie]

there is another international spinner who has averaged over 50 for more than 3 years, but he gets in the world XI

but its performances vs Australia that have gotten him into the word XI

 

[C_C]

but its performances vs Australia that have gotten him into the word XI

Performance vs OZ should see Kumble or Harbhajan ahead of political appointees like Vettori.

 

[superkingdave]

Performance vs OZ should see Kumble or Harbhajan ahead of political appointees like Vettori.

yeah, 18 wickets @41 in his last 2 series vs Aus hardly demand selection as the second spinner

 

[greg]

but its performances vs Australia that have gotten him into the word XI

That rather ignores the point (even though it's nonsense)

 

[C_C]

yeah, 18 wickets @41 in his last 2 series vs Aus hardly demand selection as the second spinner

Please compare Vettori, Kumble and Harbhajan vs OZ statistically over the past couple of series.

 

[greg]

Please compare Vettori, Kumble and Harbhajan vs OZ statistically over the past couple of series.

I think he was agreeing with you C_C - 18 wickets @41 is Vettori's record. You shouldn't be so confrontational

 

[Neil Pickup]

Record In Australia:

Harbhajan 1w @ 169.00
Kumble 29w @ 40.00
Vettori 29w @ 37.62
Price 6w @ 61.83
Giles 6w @ 31.83

 

[greg]

Record In Australia:

Harbhajan 1w @ 169.00
Kumble 29w @ 40.00
Vettori 29w @ 37.62
Price 6w @ 61.83
Giles 6w @ 31.83

ALL HAIL THE KING OF SPAIN!!

 

[C_C]

Record In Australia:

Harbhajan 1w @ 169.00
Kumble 29w @ 40.00
Vettori 29w @ 37.62
Price 6w @ 61.83
Giles 6w @ 31.83

Precisely what cut-off dates are you using ? Vettori has that record since 97 and kumble's record last time was a vast improvement over anything vettori has shown in OZ .
And dear Gregory, wernt you so offaciously arguing about 'currently blahblah has nothing to do with 5 years ago blah blah' ?

 

[greg]

Precisely what cut-off dates are you using ? Vettori has that record since 97 and kumble's record last time was a vast improvement over anything vettori has shown in OZ .
And dear Gregory, wernt you so offaciously arguing about 'currently blahblah has nothing to do with 5 years ago blah blah' ?

Presumably you can spot a post that's totally mischievous when you see it? Vettori's "great record" has been discredited quite well enough using his statistics from the last two series. But until evidence is presented to the contrary we must clearly accept that the King of Spain is the only one with the potential capability to cause problems for Australia in Australia. If only he and Simon Jones hadn't been injured in that Ashes series of 2002/3. The course of history could have been very different...

 

[C_C]

Presumably you can spot a post that's totally mischievous when you see it? Vettori's "great record" has been discredited quite well enough using his statistics from the last two series. But until evidence is presented to the contrary we must clearly accept that the King of Spain is the only one with the potential capability to cause problems for Australia in Australia. If only he and Simon Jones hadn't been injured in that Ashes series of 2002/3. The course of history could have been very different...

The only one who's caused OZ considerable problems in the course of a series is Kumble.

 

[greg]

The only one who's caused OZ considerable problems in the course of a series is Kumble.

No real need to state the obvious.

 

[marc71178]

yea frg 96, but dont underate Mahmood at that time he was playing as a top class all-rounder in the making but he just fell away but the 99 attack of Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib/Saqlain/Mahmood/Mushtaq was better than England.

Hmm, OK.

Apart from England could actually use all 5 of theirs to stand up and be counted.

As for Mahmood a top all-rounder in the making, whatever you say...

 

[marc71178]

Record In Australia:

Harbhajan 1w @ 169.00
Kumble 29w @ 40.00
Vettori 29w @ 37.62
Price 6w @ 61.83
Giles 6w @ 31.83

So the "worst" spinner actually has done the best then?

 

[C_C]

So the "worst" spinner actually has done the best then?

The said "worst" spinner, O so-called student of mathematics, has played a solitary test in OZ. Its a bit like picking Andy Ganteume over Bradman and any english batsman who ever lived.

 

[marc71178]

So how many has Harbhajan played for that superb record then?

And as for the little jibe - yes, I did study mathematics at university, quite a well known one at that, but if it suits you to have these little digs at people in threads you go ahead, it would mean more coming from someone whose opinion was actually worth something.

 

[C_C]

So how many has Harbhajan played for that superb record then?

Same number in Austalia, a lot more ( and been a lot more successful) against Australia.

And its rather clear that in Australia, i am supporting Kumble and not Harbhajan

The guy who perpertually jibes away with 'CC against white folks' when i present factual inconsistencies is now whining about jibes ? Cor Blimey!

And i throw that right back atcha- it would mean something more if it were comming from somoene who actually didnt voilate some basic mathematical ( statistical inference) techniques in his pomposity and who's opinion is worth something.

 

[aussie]

That rather ignores the point (even though it's nonsense)

yea i know just dont want to get into the argument but it is why he was picked over Kumble especially.....

 

[aussie]

Record In Australia:

Harbhajan 1w @ 169.00
Kumble 29w @ 40.00
Vettori 29w @ 37.62
Price 6w @ 61.83
Giles 6w @ 31.83

why narrow it down to their performances in Australia because thats why Vettori has been picked over all of them, it should be vs Aus in general (home & away). But the exception in this case would be Harbhajan because he has only been super-effective vs Aus in India.

 

[aussie]

Hmm, OK.

Apart from England could actually use all 5 of theirs to stand up and be counted.

As for Mahmood a top all-rounder in the making, whatever you say...

yea has i said england attack is more consistent but the pakistan attack wasn't but it was equally has hostile.

Mahmood was if you look at how he was coming along in test cricket during the late 90's he was certainly shaping up to be one, but has i said the bloke fell away

Dont forget the WI attacks of 95 & 96