***Official*** England in Pakistan

[Go_India]

Eh? Make your mind up. We were talking about ODIs a moment ago.

ODI or tests, i will win this argument. Ok lets talk ODI then.

 

[greg]

ODI or tests, i will win this argument. Ok lets talk ODI then.

Ok let's start again

So Pietersens 786 runs @ 99.49 (not to mention an average of 87.33) is obviously terrible in comparison to Dhoni (525 runs @ 102.53, average of 37.50)

 

[Pedro Delgado]

I dont care what scorecards say, did u know he was dropped thrice in the begining? And 2 of them, even i could have caught them. Australia have lost it, they should serioulsy drop the likes of Martyn to stand any chance of beating the world 11. Which they have done now

He was dropped once. The others were half-chances at best.

 

[Go_India]

Greg and Pedro, i need a break. Need to eat something first.

I will be back very soon

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Greg and Pedro, i need a break. Need to eat something first.

I will be back very soon

That's lunch, gentlemen.

 

[Retox]

Played sport have we?

Before answering, I dont consider Xbox a sport.

Under 17 Rugby
Soccer (High School)
Under 19 Cricket Rep for Northern Districts.

Nope no sport here.


So this useless number 4, Worst Keeper and bad spinner? Yet they still defeat the Australians. Amazing.

 

[marc71178]

I meant in ODI's, but cant u tell marc that dhoni has enormous amount of talent?

The discussion is about Test batting though

 

[marc71178]

ODI or tests, i will win this argument. Ok lets talk ODI then.

How can you win an argument that Flintoff and Pietersen are unproven in Tests compared to Dhoni?

 

[Gloucefan]

ODI or tests, i will win this argument. Ok lets talk ODI then.

How could you win this argument? You're talking about your opinion about someones potential. It's a weaker argument then even you make it sound.

 

[aussie]

yes, because giles when the conditions suits him can actually bowl. watson cant bowl to save his life.

please......

 

[aussie]

So what happened in the Ashes then?

it was controlled by a top-class england attack but that doesn't mean it isn't world class....

 

[aussie]

The point that was made in the series was that this was the first time this Australian line-up had faced such a hostile, all-round attack and they were found wanting.

no the attack that Pakistan took to Australia in 99 & 96 were had equal all-round strength but it lacked discipline....

 

[aussie]

Not as much as Gilchrist, sehwag, Dhoni etc.. they have to proove themselfs first

gotta be kidding dawg...

 

[Behlol]

i thought that this thread was for England in Pakistan.But comparisons r between Enland and India.Don't go off the topic.

 

[marc71178]

it was controlled by a top-class england attack but that doesn't mean it isn't world class....

If it doesn't perform when it faces opposition of a high quality, I'd say that shows it's not world-class.

 

[marc71178]

no the attack that Pakistan took to Australia in 99 & 96 were had equal all-round strength but it lacked discipline....

96 is nowhere near as good.

The 2 W's and Mushtaq.

99 had the likes of Azhar Mahmood and Mohammad Akram...

 

[wpdavid]

Looking back at the 2000 tour, it reminds you how much the England side has changed since then. I hadn't realised that only two players from that XI are still in the side - Giles & Trescothick. I'd also forgotten how well Giles did, with 17 wickets at about 24.

 

[aussie]

96 is nowhere near as good.

The 2 W's and Mushtaq.

99 had the likes of Azhar Mahmood and Mohammad Akram...

yea frg 96, but dont underate Mahmood at that time he was playing as a top class all-rounder in the making but he just fell away but the 99 attack of Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib/Saqlain/Mahmood/Mushtaq was better than England.

Plus you could count the WI attacks of 95 & 96/97

 

[social]

Under 17 Rugby
Soccer (High School)
Under 19 Cricket Rep for Northern Districts.

Nope no sport here.


So this useless number 4, Worst Keeper and bad spinner? Yet they still defeat the Australians. Amazing.

Its fairly obvious.

Giles - already determined that he is the "worst." Only competitor is Boje, whi gets the nod because he is a better bat and hardly a regular.

Geraint - a given. Truly, truly horrible.

Bell - at present, he's not even in the same class as Martyn, Kallis, Lara, Inzy, Vincent/Astle, Tendulkar, Jayawardene, etc. Unfortunately for him, no. 4 is generally reserved for your best player and he doesnt cut it at present. He "may" develop into a very fine player but the jury is well and truly out.

And BTW, when you sit back and analyse the 2 teams man on man, it is indeed amazing that Eng won. However, cricket is a team game and Eng combined brilliantly and deservedly won.

 

[superkingdave]

there is another international spinner who has averaged over 50 for more than 3 years, but he gets in the world XI