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***Official*** England in Pakistan

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Neil Pickup said:
Well, if you'd been following Scoreboard Confessional as closely as you ought to have been you wouldn't need to ask...

The fastest 12-year-old at the East Devon Colts trials is capable of high 50s and has probably broken 60 when he has got it right (which isn't as often as I'd like, it's too short too often at present, but we're getting there). I can still stand up to that pace, but it requires plenty concentration on my part.

I know that there are 14-year-olds capable of 77mph in the district (who have been selected for the West of England U15s next season). I wouldn't count out Plunkett of being able to bowl high 60s at the age of 12, even if that's the top speed I can manage at present...
Fair enough. I guess that's quite a lot faster than my off-breaks, actually! :blink:

Top speed I can manage is far slower than high 60's, I'd wager - my medium-pace bowling is really not up to much. I wouldn't be surprised if my action is so bad I struggle to break 50mph. I can get my off-breaks down at mid-forties, though, when it's going right (once in a blue moon, in other words).
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
Pothas said:
But Prior isnt Gilchrist is he?
Didn't say he was - just that you can't blame the English selectors for trying to find the new Gilchrist, that's all.

And they used to say Flintoff wasn't Botham, you know.
 

greg

International Debutant
tooextracool said:
and his average is somewhere near half that when you remove games against zimbabwe and bangladesh.
I really hate the ICC for what they have done to International cricket statistics :@
 

tooextracool

International Coach
twctopcat said:
Prior is a counterattacking batsmen if he wants to be. Can play as defensive as needs be. In the games i've seen this year he has scored quickly with orthodox shots and kept well to the likes of mushy. I know a lot of people like Read but Prior is 23 (i think) and has a lot more potential in every department.
prior should have been there ahead of jones, as should read.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
It's an interesting squad, I'll give it that. A big vote of confidence in Bell, which is fair enough, but he really needs to start to justify that faith with some serious contributions.

I happen to think 17 is at least a player too many, it's a short tour so there's a v real chance a coupla players might not even play at all. It also makes me think (particularly with Tremlett & Anderson in the squad) that all might not be well with Jones, S. Just a hunch, nothing more.

I don't have a problem with them picking Udal at all, I've only seen him bowl a once or twice this year, but his figures dwarf any other spinner's. I would say tho that it does show a slight inconsistency in thinking from the 5th test. I personally thought Cork (as Caddy was crocked) would've been a better shout than Anderson in that one-off situation (his figures for the season seem to back this up too), but he was overlooked, presumably on grounds of age. Now scarcely a fortnight later the selectors have gone for (arguably) the best man for the job, but one who gives a couple of years to Dom. Of course they've fudged the issue slightly with Loudon's presence, but if (God forbid) Gilo breaks down we won't go into a test with Loudon as our no.1 spinner.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
BoyBrumby said:
I personally thought Cork (as Caddy was crocked) would've been a better shout than Anderson in that one-off situation (his figures for the season seem to back this up too), but he was overlooked, presumably on grounds of age.
They just picked Udal, so age obviously isn't important (that, or they're hypocrites)
 

twctopcat

International Regular
I think David Graveney pointed out that age isn't so much an issue with spinners as with an old codger like Corky, hence the selection. It is definitely because Udal can hold a bat which they all seem to love at the mo. This is prob why Loudon is there too with a pretty big FC ton under his belt. That and his mystical "doosra" of course! :p
 

Neil Pickup

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twctopcat said:
I think David Graveney pointed out that age isn't so much an issue with spinners as with an old codger like Corky, hence the selection. It is definitely because Udal can hold a bat which they all seem to love at the mo. This is prob why Loudon is there too with a pretty big FC ton under his belt. That and his mystical "doosra" of course! :p
The issue with Cork is that he's well past it, and has been for a few years now in terms of Test cricket performances, he wouldn't have been a better pick. Udal however, the other pick is...?
 

Retox

State Vice-Captain
social said:
England's depth, or lack thereof, should be a major concern.
Some may say like Australians bowling depth.


But England can build the depth now. In theory you have the likes of KP for 6+ more years and Flintoff for as long as he can walk :P
 

pskov

International 12th Man
social said:
England's depth, or lack thereof, should be a major concern.
Only really in the spin department, where our depth leads us to have exactly....... no quality spinner. But in batting and pace bowling, our depth is as good as any other team in world, if not better.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Anyone think Gough's International career is now over?
well if the 4th seamer option behind Harmy/Jones/Flintoff doesn't bowl that well in Pak, Goughie may well and be in the ODI sqaud to India....
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
marc71178 said:
Anyone think Gough's International career is now over?
Very possibly. It's a v strange decision to ask to be left out when one's by no means integral to the team anymore.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Neil Pickup said:
The issue with Cork is that he's well past it, and has been for a few years now in terms of Test cricket performances, he wouldn't have been a better pick. Udal however, the other pick is...?
Swann is the obvious one I suppose. Granted he's not exactly pulled up many trees this year, but he is more of a longer term option than Udal.
 

nehrafan

Banned
Shoaib said:
But he is 100 times better than your street level bowlers like Irfan Pathan,Zaheer Khan,Ashish Nehra & Laxmipathi Balaji.Sami is a good bowler in ODIs but he hasn't been able to drop his bowling average in tests because he hasn't got many chances to play against Bangladesh Like Irfan,Nehra & Zaheer who have bowling averages in atleast sixties if we exclude their performances against Bangladesh.U have no right to criticize our bowling lineup because your country hasn't been able to produce a good fast bowler (excluding Kapil Dev) for last 58 years since independence.
Look kid, there is no point of going into history, lets face the reality of today, and there no pint denying the fact that Pakistan is currently facing a big problem in getting a decent pacer to partner Akhtar in test matches.The time Indian pacers spend playing cricket, Pakistanis pacers spend the same time trying to sort out their action in Uni of western Aus!!

I wouldn't compare Indian pacers with any Pak pacers (san Akhtar) for i think quality shouldn't be compared with garbage.You have urself admitted that Pak leading bowler is of club standard (in one of ur previous post) its a shame that you have gone back and are now claiming the same guy to be superior to other team's leading pacers.How desperate can a Pakistani get!!

Take my word, the future of Pak pacers lies at MRF pace foundation and UWA. If these great institutes stop helping Pak pacers then we might end up seeing Pakistan team battling with minnows in superior format of game.
 

nehrafan

Banned
Shoaib said:
Razzaq is a failure because he stole the Mohali test from your so called "world class team"?And Rana is a failure because he made your so called "great batsmen" look like even worst than Bangladesh Batsmen?
One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Rana still averages 70 in test matches, the game is a utter disgrace.

Razzak is a good OD allrounder but a useless Test bowler.
 

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