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Look, I don't like Vettori, but you're an idiot if you really think that.Vetorri should be shot after that game. Incredibly selfish batting - he just wanted to be the hero and hit the winning runs
Look, I don't like Vettori, but you're an idiot if you really think that.Vetorri should be shot after that game. Incredibly selfish batting - he just wanted to be the hero and hit the winning runs
Average of 37.50 and strike rate of 71 against ODI standard sides. Still pretty good, and has found a niche for himself at #3 which is fairly odd, considering he's been an opener all his career.How now averages over 40 with a SR over 70 with 1 century and 6 50's. That's a very decent record tbh.
Hmm, okay, so Bangladesh are not ODI standard? Despite beating India and South Africa at last year's world cup?Average of 37.50 and strike rate of 71 against ODI standard sides. Still pretty good, and has found a niche for himself at #3 which is fairly odd, considering he's been an opener all his career.
Yes he has, hasn't heAverage of 37.50 and strike rate of 71 against ODI standard sides. Still pretty good, and has found a niche for himself at #3 which is fairly odd, considering he's been an opener all his career.
EDIT: Also, he has never scored a List A century for Central Districts
I've always felt we wouldn't be too bad after the retirements. Its exciting to see all the fresh faces coming onto the scene from all over the world. It is early days with this new team but they look to have some potential there. You make some interesting points but if I may I'll make a comment on them starting from the top:Im gonna make a prediction that NZ cricket will take a season to find is feet but this will be a bit of a golden period. Franklin will come back from injury soon so that will help, but I think if Rob Nicol gets a chance in the side( always thought he would make a good test opener), then, NZ will have more success and respect in the next two -five years than it has had in the past. Things seem to be coming together well.
John Wright will take over from boof, next year I think
Taylor and Ryder will form a good middle order in tests and top order in odis.
Vincent will come back into the side in the middle order and perform much better than he has in the past, finally start fulfilling some of the early promise.
McCullum is starting to dominate as an opener in odis.
Oram, Franklin, and Vettori will combine again to give us that strong lower order and 3rd 4th and 5th bowling options, but perform better with their extra experience.
Southee and Sherlock will come into the side and be better than Mills and much better than Martin.
Never seen Hay play but I hope he will be able to cope with international cricket.
Neil Broom and Daniel Flynn can be useful backups for the batting lineup.
in two years, there will be a few other guys coming through that will add to our stocks, Kane Williamson, Trent Boult and so on.
This is the situation which nz cricket fans were worried about,, the mass retirement of senior players exposing our lack of depth, but that hasnt really happened,. The team has actually done quite well. No Fleming, Astle, McMillan, Bond, and Franklin(injured), is basically half our top side, but the news guys have done better than expected. One might even suggest that our top side wasnt as high above the others in domestic cricket as we might have thought.
That is quite correct.Hmm, okay, so Bangladesh are not ODI standard? Despite beating India and South Africa at last year's world cup?
What an incredibly stupid post. All the sense of a dead goldfish.Vetorri should be shot after that game. Incredibly selfish batting - he just wanted to be the hero and hit the winning runs
Now you've set yourself up, we're a forum of opportunist smart arses remember?That is quite correct.
Ireland beat Pakistan too, does that mean they're ODI standard?
I do, FTR. I really don't see why, once he's made his ground, a batsman should be eligable to be (run) out unless he leaves it, rather than comes off the ground in it.I did actually point out that I understand what the rule is, I just think the rule is silly. It's not the same situation as a stumping as you've mentioned it - Vettori did complete the run by crossing the line with his bat grounded. AFAIC it's nitpicking to give someone out in that instance simply because their bat bounced a wee way into the air afterward. Fair enough if he'd never grounded the bat, but he did. Just my POV anyway, I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
Just no. We already know Tremlett's awful, there's still plenty who cling to the notion that Anderson isn't. We still need plenty more evidence before the likelihood of him being gone for good.Yup. Admittedly I didn't see a single delivery, but Anderson's figures are dire once again. Who else is in the squad - Tremlett maybe?
Well, you'd think, if Trescothick and Flintoff were to come back tomorrow, things would currently look something like this:This England ODI team looks as though it's going places, and has a good balance I tend to think. The selectors just need to retain the faith and they'll move up the ODI ladder. Especially when/if you throw Flintoff back into the mix.
Any reason you've overlooked Sidebottom? Our best ODI bowler by a distance for me.Well, you'd think, if Trescothick and Flintoff were to come back tomorrow, things would currently look something like this:
Trescothick
Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Shah
Flintoff
Mustard
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Which still contains plenty of uncertainties (Mustard, Shah, Bell, Anderson, Broad, Collingwood). Not to mention, I find it sadly unlikely that Trescothick or Flintoff will ever return, never mind make the 2011 WC.
Statistically impressive and he certainly hasnt done a bad job at all. Never the type of bowler that can make considerable early inroads into the opposition and put them on the back foot.Any reason you've overlooked Sidebottom? Our best ODI bowler by a distance for me.
Can't see Tres returning, so we're probably looking at the current top 6 followed by Fred at 7 if he ever does get fit. Thereafter is anyone's guess. Sidebottom & Broad, obviously & probably respectively. Swann should play. Then we're looking at Mascarenhas or Wright, I suppose. If Fred doesn't recover, Jon lewis may yet get a recall at soem stage of our summer. That's a bowler light, but they aren't exactly queuing up, are they. I wonder what happened to the two lads who opened the bowling and usually made inroads when we saw off Aus and a rather stronger NZ side 12 months ago.Well, you'd think, if Trescothick and Flintoff were to come back tomorrow, things would currently look something like this:
Trescothick
Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Mustard
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson \ Mascarenhas
Which still contains plenty of uncertainties (Mustard, Shah, Bell, Anderson, Broad, Collingwood). Not to mention, I find it sadly unlikely that Trescothick or Flintoff will ever return, never mind make the 2011 WC.
I wonder what happened to the two lads who opened the bowling and usually made inroads when we saw off Aus and a rather stronger NZ side 12 months ago.
Runs for cover ....
There's probably something in what you say, I agree we aren't exactly overburdened with world-class one-day bowlers, but I can't help but feel you're being maybe a tad harsh on Siders. He might not be Wasim Akram incarnate, but he did pick up useful early wickets in Sri Lanka (a quick trip to cricinfo shows that in the ODIs we won, he dismissed the openers 5 times out of 6) & his figures yesterday shine out like a beacon amidst dross.Statistically impressive and he certainly hasnt done a bad job at all. Never the type of bowler that can make considerable early inroads into the opposition and put them on the back foot.
In an ideal world he wouldnt be opening, however with the powerplays he is one of the few guys that can be trusted to be given the cherry.
Basically, IMO, he isnt doing anything wrong just that you would want more from the "best ODI bowler by a distance". Maybe suggests more about the quality of English ODI cricket than Sidebottom himself.
His record against Sri Lanka is remarkable. Hard to see it being replicated anytime soon and as he plays more games that record will have less of an effect on his overall stats.There's probably something in what you say, I agree we aren't exactly overburdened with world-class one-day bowlers, but I can't help but feel you're being maybe a tad harsh on Siders. He might not be Wasim Akram incarnate, but he did pick up useful early wickets in Sri Lanka (a quick trip to cricinfo shows that in the ODIs we won, he dismissed the openers 5 times out of 6) & his figures yesterday shine out like a beacon amidst dross.
Whether he's of the absolutely top rank in ODIs is debateable, but I do reckon there's no-one fit & English-qualified to touch him currently.