Furball
Evil Scotsman
Which is why with 2 new balls you bowl Anderson out by the time the batting powerplay gets called.
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*Official* England in India
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Who would you go with?
I want a closer look at Borthwick other than playing him for 1 game because the management wanted to send a lesson to Swann; Stokes had enough about him to warrant a look in the summer despite being injured; Bairstow was horrible this series but is still young; and Bresnan, whilst he's average at best, is probably still the 4th best ODI quick in the country.
intcricket
U19 12th Man
This is the weakest England team to play against India. Playing such teams is not in the interest of Indian cricket 
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah - the problem is, you'd want to do that with Swann, Finn and Patel as well. You need more than just Broad bowling in the last fifteen overs.
flibbertyjibber
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Jimmy should basically bowl out straight off.
Daemon
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That's where Pieterson comes in
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Not in the UAE he shouldn't.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Well for me, Borthwick, Bairstow and Stokes were all selected in the wrong format. It's not that I think they've been so horribly dire that they should be dropped, but that I really don't think they should've been picked in the first place and their performances so far have backed that up. They've all been pretty poor (not even just "not as good as they are in the County Championship" - but downright poor and in Bairstow's case lucky to still be selected at all) in one day domestic cricket so far, and I don't think playing ODIs before they've figured out how to adapt their skills to one day domestic cricket is really a good idea.
Bresnan does need to stay there. I'd have Taylor and Woakes (if fit) in the squad, and my last spot would probably go to Bell because I'm a masochist and can't let it go.
Outswinger@Pace
International 12th Man
Cool! I wouldn't want to read too much into Nehra's efforts in SMAT, but reckon he is still a possible candidate in ODIs. Not that he'd walk into the side or anything, but given how injury-prone Zaheer is and if Vinay/Aaron/Yadav do not do very well, Nehra isn't an option that can be outrightly discarded.
The man who needs to be discarded for good is Munaf Patel. And the earlier it's done, the better it is for Indian cricket.
Fair enough, then. Anderson can be a useful proposition under these new rules as GF explains. What is funny is the man came into international limelight the first time when he decimated a team in an ODI fixture.
He's very good with the new ball and if he can bowl 10 incisive overs unchanged with the new ball, that'll be one helluva blessing for England.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
How the **** did I forget about Taylor?Well for me, Borthwick, Bairstow and Stokes were all selected in the wrong format. It's not that I think they've been so horribly dire that they should be dropped, but that I really don't think they should've been picked in the first place and their performances so far have backed that up. They've all been pretty poor (not even just "not as good as they are in the County Championship" - but downright poor and in Bairstow's case lucky to still be selected at all) in one day domestic cricket so far, and I don't think playing ODIs before they've figured out how to adapt their skills to one day domestic cricket is really a good idea.
Bresnan does need to stay there. I'd have Taylor and Woakes (if fit) in the squad, and my last spot would probably go to Bell because I'm a masochist and can't let it go.
GTFO with your Bell selection. He is **** in ODIs, he has been **** since coming back in 2010 despite all his wonderful Test form, like Bopara he's not got it.
edit: didn't really respond to the rest of your post. Part of the problem with England in the last 2 World Cups has been that all the planning that should have been done seems to have been thrown out the window at the last minute and IMO if they're indentifying people like Stokes then I'm all for giving them a couple of series and seeing if they look like they might be up to it. When England name their 30 man preliminary squads there's always several names who can quickly be filed in the "absolutely no chance" bin, I'd like us to identify a squad of 20-25 names going forward who we think are likely to be pushing for World Cup selection.
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Dissector
International Debutant
There is something uniquely satisfying about delivering a flogging to a hapless England side. Now we just have to find a couple of good test spinners and give England a nice 20th anniversary present in 12/13.
Props to Jadeja. I have been one of his critics in the past and while I am still not sure about his ability in a high RRR situation, he is clearly emerging as a top ODI cricketer. And while I don't think he will be a test-class spinner I hope he can compete for the no.6 batsman/part-time bowler spot in the test side. His spell today would have troubled any test side on a turning wicket.
Now we just have to find a couple of good test spinners and give England a nice 20th anniversary present in 12/13.Props to Jadeja. I have been one of his critics in the past and while I am still not sure about his ability in a high RRR situation, he is clearly emerging as a top ODI cricketer. And while I don't think he will be a test-class spinner I hope he can compete for the no.6 batsman/part-time bowler spot in the test side. His spell today would have troubled any test side on a turning wicket.
ljinko888
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Taylor is an excellent prospect but I think he shouldn't be used in ODIs. He's got a very good technique and should be groomed into the test team in the near futureWell for me, Borthwick, Bairstow and Stokes were all selected in the wrong format. It's not that I think they've been so horribly dire that they should be dropped, but that I really don't think they should've been picked in the first place and their performances so far have backed that up. They've all been pretty poor (not even just "not as good as they are in the County Championship" - but downright poor and in Bairstow's case lucky to still be selected at all) in one day domestic cricket so far, and I don't think playing ODIs before they've figured out how to adapt their skills to one day domestic cricket is really a good idea.
Bresnan does need to stay there. I'd have Taylor and Woakes (if fit) in the squad, and my last spot would probably go to Bell because I'm a masochist and can't let it go.
Outswinger@Pace
International 12th Man
If you are looking to build a champion test side, such a position shouldn't exist, IMHO. Six proper batsman (a quality all-rounder is different) to score runs and ideally, Zak, PK, Ashwin/Mishra and Sharma/Yadav/whoever to get 20 wickets. Always believed that the four best bowlers of any nation should be able to get all the wickets amongst themselves.
A high quality test batsman chipping in with a few useful overs (like Sehwag or Tendulkar) is different from accommodating a bloke who can bat as well as bowl usefully. If India is looking for a test class all-rounder, Jaedja is not quite there yet, IMHO.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
AWTA. If you're selecting Jadeja, it's because he's either one of the top 6 batsmen, or top 4 bowlers. His secondary skill is a bonus but shouldn't factor into his selection.
ljinko888
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
You think Pujara will break into the test team?There is something uniquely satisfying about delivering a flogging to a hapless England side.
Props to Jadeja. I have been one of his critics in the past and while I am still not sure about his ability in a high RRR situation, he is clearly emerging as a top ODI cricketer. And while I don't think he will be a test-class spinner I hope he can compete for the no.6 batsman/part-time bowler spot in the test side. His spell today would have troubled any test side on a turning wicket.
MW1304
Cricketer Of The Year
Good post this. Trott getting 60 off 90 balls in a close loss when everyone else fails will get more criticism than getting out for nothing in a hammering.
Hey, he puts pressure on the non-striker.
Jacknife
International Captain
When I watch him play domestic one day cricket Tremlett's always impressed me and he hasn't got a bad record, averages 27 and when compared to Bres' record of 34 it's far better. He really hasn't played consistently for the England team over the years, it's been a game here and there. Saying all this with his injury record he just needs to be kept for tests, that's if he gets fit.
Dissector
International Debutant
Well obviously you would ideally want four bowlers who can consistently take 20 wickets against good batting sides but realistically India will have a tough time doing this in the next few years. You have to be pragmatic. If Jadeja is only a bit worse than the sixth best batsman in India, you have to take his bowling into account. I think he is the kind of bowler who is capable of taking those crucial couple of wickets on a turning track. That is all the more valuable for India because Sehwag doesn't bowl much these days.
I am assuming that he becomes good enough with the bat to be close to being picked for that alone at no.6. Obviously if he is well below par with the bat, he shouldn't be picked for part-time bowling.