In other words:SJS said:KP swept a full toss high to mid wicket, Freddie swept an over pitched delivery and was hit bang in front, Jones decided he was going to sweep even before the ball was released and by the time he realised it was a near yorker, the ball had gone past his half horizontal/half verticalbat.
Thats more or less the story.
I believe it is called not knowing how to pace an innings. Flintoff and Pietersen were batting wonderfully well and had got the run-rate down to about 3 an over. So what do they do? They start to use the sweep against spinners and get themselves out. Then, to top it all off, batsmen that weren't actually "in" got themselves out (Jones and Blackwell). In our top 8, we had 7 very attacking batsmen with Collingwood being the only nurdler there. Whilst it's always good to have a FEW attacking batsmen, to have such a high percentage in the line-up is stupid - especially when playing in the subcontinent, where nurdling is the name of the game! Sure, one day cricket is a fast paced game but you need players to pace an innings rather than hit out or get out.aussie said:what the hell happpened in Delhi?, i left home this morning at 8:35 for school with KP & Freddie in full cry now i'm in school check go on cricinfo to see England lose by 39 runs, dalm..
I couldn't agree more with the latter comment. Although, I think in England's case, we won't do well in the World Cup anyway! We've not got a clue how to play One Day cricket! Any suggestion that we're a good side or the like is mere folly.honestbharani said:That's our plan B, Nasser.
I know that was trollesque, but hey after 3000+ posts, I deserve the odd trollish post, right?
But I think SJS was right on the money. The pitch was tough to bat on, no doubt about it. Especially in the first innings, when there was variable bounce. When England were batting, it was only low bounce, there wasn't much variation there. That was why Freddie and KP, both predominantly front foot players with HUGE strides were playing extremely well. But what happened after that, or what happened with a majority of the Indian wickets, only they themselves can explain. If both sides keep batting this way, neither will do well in the WC.
Oh lol, the stream I was watching ended before Straight Drive so I had absolutely no idea what you meant.honestbharani said:WEll, I think you would have watched STraight DRive where Nasser Hussain kept telling Manjrekar that India don't have a plan B in ODIs... I know one match is nothing to boast by, hence I referred my own assertion as trollesque.
Hope that explained things.
SJS said:
Brillant SJS
But the thing is, you have the RESOURCES to make a very good ODI side. I mean, at full strength, your ODI bowling line up will look something like this:Timewell said:
Actually, Straight Drive was on only during the Ind-Pak series. It was then that Nasser made this comment, repeatedly, after every one of those matches that India won. I got his point and I think he was right, India were looking SO comfortable chasing down any target that I felt they had forgotten how to go about SETTING a target. But it did get repetative after a while. He kept talking about how England will put them under pressure by getting them to bat first and then tonking their bowlers around.Jono said:Oh lol, the stream I was watching ended before Straight Drive so I had absolutely no idea what you meant.
What'd Nasser and the rest have to say after the ODIs? I like Nasser so I'm not having a go at him, but I am pretty sure I know what Botham would have said, but curious as to what Nasser and other experts may have thought of England's batting since this happens all the time.
Not for the first time, Botham's completely missing the point. The problem isn't, for the most part, the newcomers. The problem is that the guys who have regularly played in the side, such as Strauss, Colly & Jones, have continued to do next do nothing. Plus KP & Fred giving it away when set. At least Fred has the excuse of being fairly jetlagged. KP's rapidly becoming a parody of himself. Going back to ITB's point, the only new batsman in the side from the last test was Prior, and at least he made a contribution, even if his was yet another peabrained dismissal.DanielFullard said:
lol, yeah, I know that. I still think it is mostly about getting the right people in at the right positions.wpdavid said:
Sorry to break this to you with your biased rubbish but there's nothing wrong with any of their records over the past 2 years. The problem lies with Geraint, Vaughan and batting replacements that generally contribute nothing. When Australia (and plenty of other teams) go 5 down they're still dangerous, when England go 5 down that's usually game over (apart from the tied game). When you're that fragile the batting is always a bit of a gamble.wpdavid said:
Scaly piscine said:
Collingwood averages around 30 and if I could be bothered to filter it out his bowling economy rate would be reasonable (I know it was mid 4s when I worked it out for the last year, about 6 months ago). Trescothick averages just under 35. Given the positions they bat and their roles in the team there's nothing wrong with those. The only conclusion remains that you're either mistaken, which I doubt because you're being pig-headed or you're simply biased - I'll leave it to you to choose which.wpdavid said:
