***Official*** England in India

[luckyeddie]

It was a comeback?!

I don't think Lazarus need worry.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Hoggard's had a surprisingly good time of it in India. Very impressive for a home conditions-oriented swing bowler.

 

[luckyeddie]

Another day, another typically pathetic batting performance from England, Flintoff does his usual comfortable cameo and then switches to village idiot slogger mode.

Left to the bowlers to do all the work, as usual.

Come on, spit it out - let us know what you really think.

 

[DanielFullard]

well I think some people think that you are only successful if you hit 500 every innings

Well, based on the play on Day 1 we should have eased into 400+ not just scraped it but looking at the way our bolwing is going I am starting to think maybe we can win it. The big question though remains the same, Can we take 20 Indian Wickets?

 

[luckyeddie]

Hoggard's had a surprisingly good time of it in India. Very impressive for a home conditions-oriented swing bowler.

As you know, he's far more than that.

 

[adharcric]

Dravid and Tendulkar together at the crease now. This is when you've got to show that class.

 

[DanielFullard]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
Another day, another typically pathetic batting performance from England, Flintoff does his usual comfortable cameo and then switches to village idiot slogger mode.

Left to the bowlers to do all the work, as usual.

The interesting thing about Flintoffs innings was, as they mentioned on SKY, he had been making akll those comments about players getting to 50 and the loosing it....which is exactly what he did

P.s. The indian commentator who keeps being so biased is annoying me

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

As you know, he's far more than that.

He is, but he's still been the sort of bowler who relies a great deal on the conditions, generally speaking.

India and Australia were always going to be big tests for a bowler like that, and he's passed this one well.

 

[Jono]

When's the last time Hoggard had a bad series?

Since the WI series he's probably been better than Harmison?

 

[DanielFullard]

Dravid and Tendulkar together at the crease now. This is when you've got to show that class.

Indeed. It gives Dravid a chance to 'redeem' himself form what was, in the eyes of many, a terrible decision to put England into bat

 

[scriptkidd]

I am sure he is not thinking about redeeming himself but thinking of putting india back in the game.

 

[Scaly piscine]

well I think some people think that you are only successful if you hit 500 every innings

I'd be interested to know if England have actually hit 500 in the last year or so, other than against Bangladesh - haven't done it in India, haven't done it Pakistan, don't think they scored 500 against Australia or South Africa.

 

[luckyeddie]

He is, but he's still been the sort of bowler who relies a great deal on the conditions, generally speaking.

India and Australia were always going to be big tests for a bowler like that, and he's passed this one well.

I honestly thought that you were kidding when you made your first statement - evidently not it seems.

He's been England's best or second-best bowler for two years now, able to make a contribution in all conditions but particularly devastating when he gets a little help.

Nearly 200 wickets now at a little under 4 a game, the average heading in the right direction too.

 

[adharcric]

Indeed. It gives Dravid a chance to 'redeem' himself form what was, in the eyes of many, a terrible decision to put England into bat

Definitely does. More than that, it gives Tendulkar a chance to show his detractors that he hasn't lost it yet. Lately, it seems like Dravid's always the one to save India when trouble comes. From an individual stand, this situation is more critical for Sachin imo.

 

[superkingdave]

I'd be interested to know if England have actually hit 500 in the last year or so, other than against Bangladesh - haven't done it in India, haven't done it Pakistan, don't think they scored 500 against Australia or South Africa.

They did against SA

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/ENG_IN_RSA/SCORECARDS/ENG_RSA_T2_26-30DEC2004.html

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

When's the last time Hoggard had a bad series?

Since the WI series he's probably been better than Harmison?

11 wickets at 37 in Pakistan wasn't great, but he's been consistent for a fair while now.

There's no doubt he's been much better than Harmison, who's been consistently pretty average for a while now. Averaged 70+ in South Africa, and since then he's only gone under 30 against Bangladesh. Hoggard's only been over 30 once in the same period.

 

[Jono]

Definitely does. More than that, it gives Tendulkar a chance to show his detractors that he hasn't lost it yet. Lately, it seems like Dravid's always the one to save India when trouble comes. From an individual stand, this situation is more critical for Sachin imo.

Tell you what, its showing.

England bowling well, the pressure is on both batsman, you can see it quite easily.

 

[DanielFullard]

Definitely does. More than that, it gives Tendulkar a chance to show his detractors that he hasn't lost it yet. Lately, it seems like Dravid's always the one to save India when trouble comes. From an individual stand, this situation is more critical for Sachin imo.

Good point. Quality batsmen are always dangerous, but even more so when they have something to proove

I had widly hoped for 3-4 wickets by the end of the day but dimissed my own hopes as very unlikley but all that has changed now

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I honestly thought that you were kidding when you made your first statement - evidently not it seems.

He's been England's best or second-best bowler for two years now, able to make a contribution in all conditions but particularly devastating when he gets a little help.

Nearly 200 wickets now at a little under 4 a game, the average heading in the right direction too.

I don't disagree, but it's pretty obvious that Hoggard was widely considered a specialist swing bowler, who is able to keep the runs down when it wasn't swinging but isn't a major threat, and when it swings is lethal. That's pretty much how he bowled in the Ashes. Performing as well as he has in India certainly contradicts that, which was my point.

 

[DanielFullard]

Why is there such an anit-Hoggard feeling amongst many Cricket fans?

I cant understand why such a good bowler who is such a vital part of the team and has prooved himself to be so gets such a slating from some people

Im not being funny here, I just am interested as to why there is so much anti-Hoggardism