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[pug]

Patel looks very good, Kumble looks pretty good, Pathan looks like crap.

Kumble will probably toil all along and get some wickets if he's lucky. How about swing and pace and control comparison between Munaf, Irfan and Santh?

 

[silentstriker]

There is another explanation. It's called incompetence. Just like the decision to field. And the decision to give Pathan the new ball TWICE. Or, the decision to give Chappel such free reign. Or to keep Pathan bowling right now and remove Munaf.

1) Decision to field was not a good one, but sometimes you take a chance
2) Pathan - We don't have anyone else
3) Chappel is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket
4) Munaf is tired

But you think that they should make more money when they have dropped 3-4 catches in one hour.

Yes, absolutely. The paper pusing beurocrats need to make less. I'd rather the players get the money, than them.

 

[pug]

Pathan hasn't had pace lately, but at least he's been accurate with the new ball once in a while. Here, he hasn't even been able to do that. Utter tripe.

Munaf had at least 4 or 5 deliveries that could've resulted in wickets (dropped catches, catch outside the boundary, near stump-misses).

Sreesanth hasn't been at the Nagpur level, but he's done alright at times. Picked up 2 wickets.

Kumble has been average, unable to find rythm.

Harbhajan has been very ordinary except for 2 or 3 fine overs.

Thanks. So would it be very surprising to find Piyush Chawla replacing Harbhajan in the very near future?

Irfan has this ability to either bowl tremendously or utter tripe. Hope he doesn't do an AA on us.

 

[silentstriker]

Kumble will probably toil all along and get some wickets if he's lucky. How about swing and pace and control comparison between Munaf, Irfan and Santh?

Santh hasn't been on today. Yesterday he was averaging mid-high 80's with decent control (but not great).

Pathan has some swing but total incompetent pace (mid 70's) and bad control.

Munaf has good control, some nice reverse swing and a decent pace at mid 80's, with a couple balls at high 80's.

Munaf definatly the pick.

 

[silentstriker]

Here comes Sreesanth.

 

[pug]

1) Decision to field was not a good one, but sometimes you take a chance
2) Pathan - We don't have anyone else
3) Chappel is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket
4) Munaf is tired

1. It could have worked either way. Looks a bad decision on hindsight, but a couple of good overs right at the beginning could have changed everything. Also, it plays to India's team selection of 3 medium pacers.

2. Fact remains, he has the ability to get wickets with the new ball better than any other bowler in the team. So, agreed.

3. Agreed.

4. Agreed.

 

[JustTool]

I like the way you always round off every discussion to - "they make millions, hence they must always succeed n never make any mistake."

Sorry. You are right. We really should forgive these mistakes.

 

[pug]

Sorry. You are right. We really should forgive these mistakes.

Well, unceasingly forgiving them without any second thought is one end of the spectrum. You are on the other end. Maybe there's a nice comfy place in the middle which you might have overlooked in your enthusiasm?

 

[silentstriker]

Sorry. You are right. We really should forgive these mistakes.

Nope, but them making money in a capitalistic enviornment has nothing to do with it. But no, you keep living in your jealous little world.

 

[JustTool]

1. It could have worked either way. Looks a bad decision on hindsight, but a couple of good overs right at the beginning could have changed everything. Also, it plays to India's team selection of 3 medium pacers.

2. Fact remains, he has the ability to get wickets with the new ball better than any other bowler in the team. So, agreed.

3. Agreed.

4. Agreed.

Did you ever see the intensity with which Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and Vengsarkar played ? I suppose you were the same people who forgave Parthiv Patel's dropped catches (read: Tests) in Australia.

Have you ever seen Australia play ? I guess not...

 

[silentstriker]

Did you ever see the intensity with which Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and Vengsarkar played ? I

Ironic, since it was Gavaskar who lobbied for higher pay for Indian cricketers..........

 

[JustTool]

Nope, but them making money in a capitalistic enviornment has nothing to do with it. But no, you keep living in your jealous little world.

Capitalism, my friend, is fundamentally predictaed on meritocracy. Not inexplicable emotion - which is what India generously has bestowed on it's cricketers. While the 7 unknown gold-medalists in the CommonWealth Games will toil in anonymity.

Hurray on the recent decision of the Indian Education Board to NOT include sportpersons like cricketers or Sania Mirza as 'heroes' for the young students. Go read that news - you could use it.

 

[silentstriker]

out!

 

[silentstriker]

Capitalism, my friend, is fundamentally predictaed on meritocracy.

That, my friend, is fundamentally wrong. Capitalism is predicated on demand. You can have talent, but if no one wants to see it...you are out of luck. Lesser talent with bigger demand will always win out.

 

[JustTool]

Ironic, since it was Gavaskar who lobbied for higher pay for Indian cricketers..........

Yes, and he was right - at that time cricketers made NOTHING and STILL palyed with passion. But only to those who work hard and deserve it. You screw up and out you go. Why do people have to defend mediocrity I have no idea.

 

[pug]

Did you ever see the intensity with which Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and Vengsarkar played ? I suppose you were the same people who forgave Parthiv Patel's dropped catches (read: Tests) in Australia.

Have you ever seen Australia play ? I guess not...

How does that answer anything in my post? Sorry, you'll have to clarify how Australia/Gavaskar etc... come into this picture?

 

[Sanz]

So Sree Santh finally gets collingwood, I dont know why he wasn't bowling with the new ball.

 

[pug]

out!

dammit, cricinfo still not showing anything after 326/3. What happened?

 

[JustTool]

That, my friend, is fundamentally wrong. Capitalism is predicated on demand. You can have talent, but if no one wants to see it...you are out of luck. Lesser talent with bigger demand will always win out.

Lesser talent with bigger demand will always win out

Indeed, and it is....what a travesty.

 

[silentstriker]

Yea, I thought he might have been hurt, but that's not the case. So now, I am not sure either. Dravid is many things, but he is not stupid. But he may have missed out there.

AND ANOTHER WICKET!