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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
aussie said:
well he has an economy of 2.83 & his bowling seemed to have improved a lot last season.
Improved a lot last season?

28 wickets @ 52.64 and E/R 3.05?

Why on earth he was Somerset's front-line spinner I'll never know.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
Improved a lot last season?

28 wickets @ 52.64 and E/R 3.05?

Why on earth he was Somerset's front-line spinner I'll never know.
Of course you fail to mention that Somerset is an absolute road, he'll be bowling when frequently when the other team is going for quick runs to declare (because Somerset are crap) and only one bowler in the Somerset team averaged below 40 with the ball in FC cricket in 2005.

Look at how bad the spinners' bowling figures in Pakistan have been so far.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
I'm asking how that is an improvement.

If he's averaging that in county cricket, what would he average in India (I'd imagine it would be undefined)
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
I don;t see how anyone could pick Blackwell over Panesar.

Blackwell is at best still a part time spinnder,England should make room for a player with real potential.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Jono said:
Smart move by the selectors.
followed by their usual nincompoop move immediately after. to say that blackwell would be a rubbish test match bowler would be wrong, because you would only be flattering him. a bowler that lacks variety,lacks variations in flight and doesnt give a ball a big rip is never going to be useful in india or anywhere else in the world further what is the point of going in to india with 2 left armers when you know that udal will be dropped after the first test?
 

tooextracool

International Coach
wpdavid said:
What happened to 4? I like 4. It allows me to play Fred, Jones, Harmy & Panesar plus an extra batsman in the top 6. If that's "negative", then so be it, but I doubt whether Hoggard's much of a wicket taking option in India anyway. Jones swings the new ball just as much, so Hoggie wouldn't really be missed. In reality, a bunch of overs from Bell & Collingwood isn't significantly less wicket-taking then Blackwell & Udal.
that might be a useful idea if panesar had any experience. what you are banking on is that panesar bowls from one end while the pace bowlers are rotated at the other. however if panesar gets hammered all over the park(which is not entirely unlikely), i cant see the 3 pace bowlers bowling out the majority of overs amongst themselves. i dont see hoggard succeeding in India but hes certainly a far better option than both udal and blackwell combined, and if he even manages to be hold up an end in india he'd have done a decent job.
 

UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
nehrafan said:
It will be interesting series, Bhajji vs Panisar:ph34r:

Turban vs turban
Wouldn't count on it. If Giles doesn't make it then it looks like England will go with Blackwell as the lone 'spinner'. God help us.
 

PY

International Coach
UncleTheOne said:
Wouldn't count on it. If Giles doesn't make it then it looks like England will go with Blackwell as the lone 'spinner'. God help us.
I don't reckon they'd be that daft, it's not like they'd be bringing in a seasoned pro to fill the gap because it'd be the same for Blackwell. Though they could replace Gilo with just Udal. :(

I'm counting on Panesar being in the first Test side along with Udal. So in short (as the above makes no sense :p), single spinner = Udal (help....) and if they go with two spinners then it has to be Udal and Panesar.

I think picking two spinners should be employed just to save Freddie's career, I'm really really worried that he's getting flogged by the captain way way too much. Not only is his batting being affected but he's going to get properly crocked soon if this carries on even though he's a superhero. The two spinners may be able to take some of the overs from him even if they aren't used as strike bowlers all the time.
 
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UncleTheOne

U19 Captain
PY said:
I don't reckon they'd be that daft, it's not like they'd be bringing in a seasoned pro to fill the gap because it'd be the same for Blackwell. Though they could replace Gilo with just Udal. :(

I'm counting on Panesar being in the first Test side along with Udal. So in short (as the above makes no sense :p), single spinner = Udal (help....) and if they go with two spinners then it has to be Udal and Panesar.

I think picking two spinners should be employed just to save Freddie's career, I'm really really worried that he's getting flogged by the captain way way too much. Not only is his batting being affected but he's going to get properly crocked soon if this carries on even though he's a superhero. The two spinners may be able to take some of the overs from him even if they aren't used as strike bowlers all the time.
Think it was todays Telegraph that suggested the Blackwell as a lone spinner.

Hopefully the return of Jones will lighten the load for Freddie, and if all four quicks are fit, who will they drop to make way for another spinner? The obvious would be Hoggard as he is near useless without the new ball on the sub-continent. But I do worry that Udal will just get smacked around the park again, as could the inexperienced Monty which would just mean more work for Freddie. At that rate he won't make this years Ashes.
 

SpeedKing

U19 Vice-Captain
it might not be entirely that unlikely, after all, the spinners threw absolute pies in Pakistan. The pacers were much more effective. And maybe England don't want to give young Panesar a debut against tendulkar and the gang. Know what I mean, this guy could be scarred for life. The might find the safer option is to go witha guy like Blackwell, who has already had a taste and is at the ripe age of 28.
 
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andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
SpeedKing said:
it might not be entirely that unlikely, after all, the spinners threw absolute pies in Pakistan. The pacers were much more effective. And maybe England don't want to give young Panesar a debut against tendulkar and the gang. Know what I mean, this guy could be scarred for life. The might find the safer option is to go witha guy like Blackwell, who has already had a taste and is at the ripe age of 28.
Oh come on. Warne debuted against India and got carted. And we all know what a detrimental effect that had on his career...8-)
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
andyc said:
Oh come on. Warne debuted against India and got carted. And we all know what a detrimental effect that had on his career...8-)
He DID have the pleasure of bowling to the English batters who never have a clue against him. Unfortunately, Panesar won't have that joy of getting his figures straightened out by bowling at them.
 

SpeedKing

U19 Vice-Captain
And then he will have the Sri Lankans and then Pakistan after that. these are teams with bloody good players of spin. this continous bashing coould have a detirmental effect. Not that i am saying this will happen, I was just trying to think of why England could pick Blackwell.

And do not forget, THERE IS ONLY ONE SHANE WARNE. if Panesar does get carted and returns half as well as Warne did [preferably without help of drugs] he will be an English spinning legend.
 
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